DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:33 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:Their website still lists a total of 64 locations (19 open, 45 under construction). However, Plugshare shows a total of 71 locations. So it seems that EA really is not worried about keeping their website relevant with respect to those locations under construction.


Plugshare lists them all as pending...

There is a ton that have been "under construction" forever and they seem to be concentrated in the Northern tier. Its almost as if they packed it up for the Winter. I took pix in Albany OR in July as they were hooking up the last station and they are still not open.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:30 pm

and 40% of the spending is supposed to be in California, and there is yet to be a single permit even applied for, let alone any construction. But hey, I saw a TV commercial running during primetime TV about their network. Money well spent.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:39 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:Their website still lists a total of 64 locations (19 open, 45 under construction). However, Plugshare shows a total of 71 locations. So it seems that EA really is not worried about keeping their website relevant with respect to those locations under construction.


Plugshare lists them all as pending...

There is a ton that have been "under construction" forever and they seem to be concentrated in the Northern tier. Its almost as if they packed it up for the Winter. I took pix in Albany OR in July as they were hooking up the last station and they are still not open.


Yes, Dave, they are pending. Or in EA's terms, "Coming Soon". Or in my terms, "under construction". Reading comprehension fail. Welcome to conversation.

My point is that there are a lot of sites in progress that EA hasn't even put on their website as "coming soon".
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:25 pm

palmermd wrote:and 40% of the spending is supposed to be in California, and there is yet to be a single permit even applied for, let alone any construction. But hey, I saw a TV commercial running during primetime TV about their network. Money well spent.

See EA's quarterly reports to CARB about progress in California, here: https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/vw_info/vsi/vw-zevinvest/electrifyamerica_reports.htm

From the Q2 report:
As detailed below, the second quarter of 2018
(Q2 2018) was focused on securing real estate
and preparing for construction of Electrify
America’s electric vehicle charging stations.
The marketing team focused on finalizing
brand-neutral education and awareness
strategies, while the Green City Initiative took
steps towards program launch. Finally, Electrify
America continued its National Outreach effort as part of
its Cycle 2 Planning process.


The report also mentioned that, starting from 162 target zones intended for investment, they had progressed to the point of having signed leases in 71 of them at that time. I imagine the 2018 Q3 report will be out shortly and I'll post a link when I see it, if no one else has.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:56 pm

Just spotted this at GCC:
Electrify America announces $200M Cycle 2 zero emission vehicle investment plan for California
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/10/20181004-ea.html

Electrify America announced its next $200-million investment in Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) infrastructure as well as education and awareness in California which is outlined in its Cycle 2 California ZEV Investment Plan submitted to the California Air Resources Board (CARB). Cycle 2 is a 30-month investment period, which begins in July 2019.

The second cycle investment will build on Electrify America’s initial priorities and expand into new areas, where the need for electric vehicle charging stations and technology are greatest or are most likely to be used regularly. Consistent with the guidance of CARB, Electrify America plans strive to ensure that 35% of Cycle 2 investments are in low-income or disadvantaged communities.

Highlights of the California Cycle 2 ZEV Investment Plan include:

Metropolitan Areas: The central focus of electric vehicle charging infrastructure investment in Cycle 2 will shift to more DC Fast Charging (DCFC) stations within metro areas, where electric vehicle (EV) drivers are expected to charge most often. Electrify America will invest in nine metro areas inside California, including these new metro areas added for Cycle 2:

Riverside-San Bernardino
Santa Cruz-Watsonville
Santa Rosa

Electrify America also will continue to invest in the six Cycle 1 metros:

Fresno
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim
Sacramento-Roseville-Arden-Arcade
San Diego-Carlsbad
San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara

These metro areas are expected to account for 89% of expected battery electric vehicles (BEVs) in operation through 2022, according to a 2017 Navigant report. The DC Fast Charging stations will be placed in retail locations but also consider the needs of adjacent multi-unit dwellings where Level 2 (L2) residential charging deployment is oftentimes challenging. Electrify America also will invest in DCFC stations specifically targeting shared mobility drivers: car share, taxis and transportation networking company (TNC) drivers.

Highways & Regional Routes: The new Cycle 2 investments announced today will continue to build out a highway network of DCFC stations featuring charging power up to 350 kilowatts which can refuel a vehicle at up to 20 miles of range per minute. This will include building new sites connecting regional destinations, such as supporting travel to the Sierra Mountain communities and destinations like Lake Havasu.

Residential: The primary, most convenient and cost efficient fueling option for many drivers is residential charging. The Office of Energy Efficiency & Renewable Energy at the Department of Energy reports that EV drivers conduct ‘more than 80% of their charging at home.’ However, the cost and complexity of installing home charging can be a barrier to ZEV adoption for some buyers, especially in low-income communities. To address this need, Electrify America will develop a comprehensive residential charging solution.

First, Electrify America will develop an online tool that promotes and connects EV buyers with the wide range of residential charging incentives and rebates already available in California and simplifies the application process. This program will be designed to integrate with CARB’s recently announced ‘one-stop-shop,’ which focuses on incentives for the ZEV purchase itself, and together these offerings will provide customers support throughout the entire purchase process.

In addition, Electrify America will offer ‘no-money-down’ residential chargers and installation, enabling buyers who cannot or choose not to pay for the L2 charger installation at home. The cost of installation will be incorporated into a monthly fee.

Finally, Electrify America will develop a platform that will allow drivers with a home charger to earn financial rewards for plugging in and supporting a demand response platform for grid electric power stability.

    Bus and Shuttle Charging: To help spur adoption in this sector, Electrify America plans to collaborate with transit operators to provide charging infrastructure at depots, layover points, and on key routes. This approach offers another means of serving disadvantaged and low-income populations who rely on public transportation.

    Rural: To further support the adoption of ZEVs in rural communities in California, Electrify America will deploy L2 chargers in rural areas with a potential focus on health care facilities and education institutions located in the Central, Coachella and Imperial Valleys.

    Autonomous: To support the growth of autonomous ZEVs, Electrify America will build up to two commercial deployments of charging stations for autonomous electric vehicles where this need is emerging.

    Renewable Generation: Electrify America will invest in renewable generation for select stations to help to reduce station operating costs and reduce the carbon content for EV refueling which is consistent with California’s broader air quality goals.

    Education and Awareness: In Cycle 2, Electrify America will invest in additional education, awareness, and outreach activities to help drive ZEV adoption. Efforts will primarily focus on boosting awareness and consideration by informing the general public on the benefits of ZEVs through traditional media advertising, similar to Electrify America’s Cycle 1 “JetStones” TV/radio campaign. Electrify America’s marketing outreach will continue to coordinate with ZEV awareness initiatives by collaborating with key non-profit organizations such as Veloz. . . .

Electrify America will continue to support the Green City Initiative in Sacramento. The initiative, which includes two ZEV car share programs, two BEV bus/shuttle services and substantial investments in associated charging infrastructure, will showcase new uses of ZEV technology while promoting increased ZEV usage across many channels serving low-income or disadvantaged communities. While these programs are funded in Cycle 1, the services—and benefits—of this $44 million Cycle 1 investment will launch and be fully operational during Cycle 2. Electrify America will provide strategic guidance and operational support for these services over the course of Cycle 2. . . .

The article contains a direct link to the "Cycle 2 California ZEV Investment Plan" pdf file. This is the tentative plan and CARB will likely make modifications, as they did with the Cycle 1 plan before approving it.

Out of this second $200m tranche, they propose spending $153m for charging facilities, distributed as follows:

    Metro community charging ($95-$115 million)

    Highway and regional routes ($25-30m, building on the Cycle 1 deployment)

    Residential ($8-$12m)

    Bus and Shuttle Charging ($4-$6m)

    Rural Community Charging (~$2m)

    Autonomous Vehicle Charging ($2 - $4 million)

    Renewable Generation: To provide clean and financially sustainable power to stations in Cycle
    2, Electrify America will explore installing renewable generation where cost effective. These
    costs are related to station infrastructure and as such are included in the aforementioned cost
    estimates. In aggregate, investments in renewable generation are not expected to exceed $5
    million. . . .

As far as Education goes, spending plans are as follows:

    Boosting ZEV Adoption through Education and Awareness (~$17 million)

    Boosting Station Utilization through Marketing (~$10 million)

The remaining $20m is for EA Business Operation and Organization.


Directly related to the above, also GCC:
Transportation sector stakeholders launch Veloz in California to accelerate adoption of EVs
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/10/20181004-veloz.html

In California, public and private stakeholders in the transportation sector launched a new organization—Veloz—to accelerate the adoption of EVs. Its first project, “Electric For All,” is the largest multi-stakeholder, multi-million dollar public awareness campaign in North America. Veloz also announced major commitments from utilities and Electrify America.

Veloz members include:

    Automakers, including GM, BMW Group, Honda, Nissan, Kia, Subaru, Daimler, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Ford.

    Electricity providers, including Pacific Gas and Electric, Southern California Edison, San Diego Gas & Electric, the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power and Sacramento Municipal Utility District.

    Charging network providers, including EVgo, Greenlots and Electrify America.

    Policymakers representing the California Energy Commission, California Air Resources Board, California Public Utilities Commission, California Department of Transportation, California ISO and other key offices.

    Local government: Bay Area Air Quality Management District.

    Nonprofit organizations, including the Sierra Club, CALSTART, NextGen Policy Center, The Greenlining Institute and World Resources Institute.

    Others: AECOM, Uber, Lyft, California New Car Dealers Association, Center for Sustainable Energy, EDF Renewable Energy, Electric Power Research Institute, Hubject, PlugShare and Proterra.

    Newly announced members: Audi, Flo, SemaConnect, ChargePoint and Webasto.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:55 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:Their website still lists a total of 64 locations (19 open, 45 under construction). However, Plugshare shows a total of 71 locations. So it seems that EA really is not worried about keeping their website relevant with respect to those locations under construction.


Plugshare lists them all as pending...

There is a ton that have been "under construction" forever and they seem to be concentrated in the Northern tier. Its almost as if they packed it up for the Winter. I took pix in Albany OR in July as they were hooking up the last station and they are still not open.


Yes, Dave, they are pending. Or in EA's terms, "Coming Soon". Or in my terms, "under construction". Reading comprehension fail. Welcome to conversation.

My point is that there are a lot of sites in progress that EA hasn't even put on their website as "coming soon".


Plugshare is listing whatever EA reports. right now two of the "under construction" sites I know of haven't even broken ground so there is no progress at all. I am sure "something" happened for EA to put them on Plugshare but other than specifying the location, nothing else is apparent.

One toured the entire location of one site and couldn't even hazard a guess as to exactly where the stations would be.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:20 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Plugshare is listing whatever EA reports. right now two of the "under construction" sites I know of haven't even broken ground so there is no progress at all. I am sure "something" happened for EA to put them on Plugshare but other than specifying the location, nothing else is apparent.

One toured the entire location of one site and couldn't even hazard a guess as to exactly where the stations would be.


Here's one on PlugShare that isn't on EA's map. I don't see any indication that EA added them as opposed to a local who noticed the construction and put 2 and 2 together. It seems clear enough that they have broken ground based on the pictures. I'm really not sure what you are saying here.

https://www.plugshare.com/location/166722
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:43 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Plugshare is listing whatever EA reports. right now two of the "under construction" sites I know of haven't even broken ground so there is no progress at all. I am sure "something" happened for EA to put them on Plugshare but other than specifying the location, nothing else is apparent.

One toured the entire location of one site and couldn't even hazard a guess as to exactly where the stations would be.


Here's one on PlugShare that isn't on EA's map. I don't see any indication that EA added them as opposed to a local who noticed the construction and put 2 and 2 together. It seems clear enough that they have broken ground based on the pictures. I'm really not sure what you are saying here.

https://www.plugshare.com/location/166722


We are both saying the same thing; EA is not to be trusted!
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:59 pm

Ft. Morgan, CO, and Sulphur, LA, #20 and #21, are now open.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:16 pm

They've opened three more, for 24 total: Albany and Grant's Pass, OR on I-5, and Sullivan, MO (Jct. I-44/S.R. 185). That's 9 so far this month.

With Sulphur, LA open, you can now drive between Houston and say Pensacola, FL. in a 200+ mile CCS/CHAdeMO BEV using their max. charge rates: Houston - 127 miles - Sulphur - 91 miles - Breaux Bridge - 180 miles - Gulfport - 126 miles - Pensacola. The two on I-5 in Oregon open Portland to the southern border and beyond (Mt. Shasta's 117 miles) : Portland - 70 mi. - Albany - 180 mi. - Grant's Pass.
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