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How do we promote QC stations?

Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:39 am

If I wanted to drive from my home to South Lake Tahoe, CA, it would be 147 miles one way. I would love to be able to drive my Leaf to Tahoe some day, but it would require at least one quick charge station along the route. Two would be needed realistically. It would probably sound silly to those who drive ICE cars that I would even consider such a trip and have to stop twice for 15 minute quick charge's, but I would not mind the short breaks.

Looking at the route, It looks like the best places to put the quick charge stations, not only looking at my situation, but also for those coming from the bay area or down from northern california, I would propose that we need one in Sacramento, and one in Pollock Pines.

For the one in Sacramento, what better place to put it to get promotion that on the Capitol Mall. There is a small parking lot right on the circular driveway on the capitol mall that would be a great place to have this station installed, and it would certainly capture the media attention from the capitol building.

Pollock Pines was chosen because it is 58 miles from Sacramento and 47 miles from South Lake Tahoe. Just about the perfect distance needed for the required quick 80% top off of the battery. If I were a business owner in Pollock Pines I would seriously think about investing in a quick charge station. It would certainly be a good way to bring people into my shop. There is a Starbucks and some other stores in a little shopping center right on the highway. The charge station would be a great way to get people to stop in for 15 minutes and buy a cup of coffee or something. Not to mention that they would be able to sell the use of the charge station.

Is there an organization that is working to get quick charge stations installed? What can we do to help promote the installation of such sites? Are there better locations to promote? Getting these installed would require that we show that there is some demand. We need to have everyone on this forum who might use these locations to support the selected locations. If we had enough people saying that they would use it, I think we could get somebody to invest in installing them.

Anyhow, thats my rambling thoughts for the morning.
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Re: How do we promote QC stations?

Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:02 am

You will need at least two QC going there in addition to your home charge. The freeway plus the grade will kill your range and the QC is 80% unless you stay longer.

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Re: How do we promote QC stations?

Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:11 am

EVDRIVER wrote:You will need at least two QC going there in addition to your home charge. The freeway plus the grade will kill your range and the QC is 80% unless you stay longer.


Thats what I said. stop in Sacramento 35 miles from here. 80% QC. Drive to Pollock Pines 58 miles. 80% QC. Drive to South Lake Tahoe 47 miles. Level 1 or 2 charge while on vacation up at the lake. This will still require conservative driving speeds, but should be very doable without driving at hazardously slow driving speeds. Keep it to 55 max and all should be fine.
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Re: How do we promote QC stations?

Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:21 am

How much do QC units cost, installed? If our community wanted a specific location we could always offer to split the cost with the business, collecting donations. I'd certainly donate ~$25 to several places within 200 miles of the Bay Area.
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Re: How do we promote QC stations?

Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:12 pm

To be effective for travel, the QC stations need to be located close to major traffic routes, with easy, quick access ... right near intersections, interchanges, and exits.

Climbing the Sierra "hill" is likely to require more than one QC station located BETWEEN Sacramento and the top. At least 2, but maybe 3, in addition to one in Sacramento and one at the top. Perhaps 3 more QC locations would be needed around the lake, probably at the 3 major IN/OUT points.
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Re: How do we promote QC stations?

Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:20 pm

ok gary. I'm suggesting that we promote to get one at Pollock Pines, and you want to promote 3, but the question remains, how do we go about promoting these? Right now nobody is putting them in because there is no perceived need for them. How do we change this perception?
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Re: How do we promote QC stations?

Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:34 pm

The EV Project, though limited geographically currently, has a "suggested stations" area. While your request may fall outside of their current area, it will let a government funded project know of the request for a charging station. ChargePoint America has the Sacramento area in their project. Perhaps you might have better odds there. You can request stations here.
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Re: How do we promote QC stations?

Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:39 pm

At $17K per unit, it's tough to make a ROI case for QC stations to private business. There would need to be a lot more EVs on the road than we would expect in the near future. Are the average EV drivers going to be willing to pay a premium (electric cost plus depreciation on the QC) for this service, or are they just going to use their ICE/hybrid car for the out of range drive?
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Re: How do we promote QC stations?

Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:05 pm

Remember the 50% "Charging Stuff" tax credit for companies.

However, it DOES take a LOT of effort to find a suitable site,
do the paperwork, and build each individual "station".

Probably, visiting the closest "new" location area with your LEAF, scout for really good locations, and chat with the management. Give them a ride, get them e-xcited, and e-xplain how THEIR family could have FREE e-fuel while attracting business and making some e-asy money.

In fact, a group of about 10 individules could probably band together to place an e-juice "bar".
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Re: How do we promote QC stations?

Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:26 pm

charlie1300 wrote:At $17K per unit, it's tough to make a ROI case for QC stations to private business. There would need to be a lot more EVs on the road than we would expect in the near future. Are the average EV drivers going to be willing to pay a premium (electric cost plus depreciation on the QC) for this service, or are they just going to use their ICE/hybrid car for the out of range drive?

ECOtality is quoting ~$50k per unit. It does seem to be a tough business case to make financially. The current focus is to get ARCO/BP gas stations to install the chargers. Presumably their sites have the electrical capacity to handle Quick Charging and it gives them a foot in the door to retaining EV customers. My understanding is these agreements have not been finalized. I would hope that there is still time to get more attractive locations. The ECOtality flow chart for installation of public charging lists input from "Consultations with EV enthusiasts”. The suggested sites on their web site is probably the best way to do that right now. I would like to see some feedback from ECOtality as to those suggested sites.

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