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Copper wire thieves

Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:44 am

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Are more and more public charging stations starting to look like this? where the cable have been cut and the connectors and wire have been stolen?
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:53 am

GPowers wrote:Are more and more public charging stations starting to look like this? where the cable have been cut and the connectors and wire have been stolen?


That sucks! Hope it's just a one-off. I certainly haven't seen any like that in my travels. Broken ones, sure. No power, sure. But never with the charging cable gone.
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:59 am

With copper at $4 a pound get used to it, this is the fly in the EVSE standards ointment. Version 2.0 needs to be a "bring your own cable" solution.
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:07 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:With copper at $4 a pound get used to it, this is the fly in the EVSE standards ointment. Version 2.0 needs to be a "bring your own cable" solution.


Ether bring your own cable or require a key card to get access to the cable. Maybe use your drivers license with the mag stripe on the back?
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:08 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:With copper at $4 a pound get used to it, this is the fly in the EVSE standards ointment. Version 2.0 needs to be a "bring your own cable" solution.


It already exists, and is what is used in the REST of the world, "mennekes"
it also supports 3 phase power as well

the EVSE has a socket, you supply your own cable from the "charging post" to the vehicle

here is a nice picture showing a Tesla connected via a Mennekes cable to a charging post
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... CEE-(60309)-Group-Buy/page2

more about EV standards here, as you can see the US is the deficient stadard, the others can all handle single and 3 phase, J-1772 cannot (single phase only). This issue has been solved, but it was "NIH" (Not Invented Here), so we can't use Mennekes, which is a far superior standard and solves the wire theft problem by moving the wire to the EV owners responseability, and not part of the charging station (EVSE)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_62196


pictures on it on this link: http://visforvoltage.org/forum/9101-mennekes-plug
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:11 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:With copper at $4 a pound get used to it, this is the fly in the EVSE standards ointment. Version 2.0 needs to be a "bring your own cable" solution.
That just means that I have to take the risk instead of the provider...not any kind of improvement from where I sit.
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:15 pm

davewill wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:With copper at $4 a pound get used to it, this is the fly in the EVSE standards ointment. Version 2.0 needs to be a "bring your own cable" solution.
That just means that I have to take the risk instead of the provider...not any kind of improvement from where I sit.


the point is, when the EVSE is not in use, there is no cable to steal, it does lower the risk since there are fewer hours in the day the cable is exposed with no one around. Its doubtful a thief would be so brazen as to steal a charging cable from an activly charging car, if that becomes an issue, we are doomed anyway.
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:17 pm

Obvious thought, I know, but could the cable be "armored", clad in some kind of cut-resistant sheath, or is this unrealistic, too heavy and expensive? I know that any deterrent to vandalism or theft can be defeated, given enough time and desire on the part of the vandal, but perhaps an armored cable could provide enough of an inconvenience to slow the vandal down to the point that they'd give up or leave because it's taking too much time to cut through the cable.
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:25 pm

Most gas stations LOCK their nozzles to the gas pump at night to deter theft.
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:36 pm

GPowers wrote:Most gas stations LOCK their nozzles to the gas pump at night to deter theft.


You can't fill up at night ?!? All the pumps here (Norway) are operational 24/7 even when the rest of the station is closed. Payment by card (mostly used this way at daytime too). We also have many unmanned petrol stations.

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