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Re: Copper wire thieves

Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:17 pm

One interesting solution to the copper theft problem:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/248211/ ... cable.html
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:56 pm

CWO4Mann wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:
coqui wrote:If theives are so brazen as to steal brass urns off of gravesites, they will steal anything.

Of course, you could always sit there and "guard" your cable while charging :( ..sad that it has come to this.


Or we could put an effective criminal justice system in place.


One effective element of the criminal justice system is the trained and armed citizen. It is a proven fact that it takes less time to shoot a criminal in the act of committing a crime with three well-aimed shots (2 to the torso and one to the head) than it does to dial 911, even on a pre-programmed cell phone. Pure Darwinian selection.


they use to hang horse thieves on sight.

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Re: Copper wire thieves

Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:24 am

Copper thieves are supposedly to blame for a massive explosion at UC Berkeley on Monday that caused the evacuation of the entire campus, knocked out almost all its power and caused all remaining classes that day to be canceled. It was in our local news that day...
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/UC ... 03491.html
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/UC ... 54181.html

On the 11 pm news of that channel today, they mentioned a generator had exploded.

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Re: Copper wire thieves

Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:43 am

CWO4Mann wrote:One effective element of the criminal justice system is the trained and armed citizen. It is a proven fact that it takes less time to shoot a criminal in the act of committing a crime with three well-aimed shots (2 to the torso and one to the head) than it does to dial 911, even on a pre-programmed cell phone. Pure Darwinian selection.

You won't get any argument out of me.. Except for legal issues, of course. In Texas I can shoot a man for stealing my property (if I shoot him WHILE he's doing it) but I'm pretty sure if I shoot a man because he is stealing an EVSE cable from a public charger, I'm going to go to prison.
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:34 am

Eliminate the cord all together! Use inductive charging! Then all of the copper would be concealed and inaccessible to thieves.

http://www.pluglesspower.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_ ... c_vehicles

@Nissan, get to work on that.
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:28 am

mirko wrote:Eliminate the cord all together! Use inductive charging! Then all of the copper would be concealed and inaccessible to thieves.

Another possibility would be to go to a European style system where you carry around your own charge cord. In fact, I think I'd like that because so far all of the cable-management systems I've seen really suck. Blink is really bad and so are the aerovironment systems. Chargepoint isn't all that bad, though. I sort of like that one.
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:27 pm

adric22 wrote:
mirko wrote:Eliminate the cord all together! Use inductive charging! Then all of the copper would be concealed and inaccessible to thieves.

Another possibility would be to go to a European style system where you carry around your own charge cord. In fact, I think I'd like that because so far all of the cable-management systems I've seen really suck. Blink is really bad and so are the aerovironment systems. Chargepoint isn't all that bad, though. I sort of like that one.


Thieves don't care if they steel a cord attached to an EVSE or my cord. So how does carrying my cord stop a copper thief?
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:37 pm

mirko wrote:Thieves don't care if they steel a cord attached to an EVSE or my cord. So how does carrying my cord stop a copper thief?

There's no cord to steal unless there's a car parked there charging.

If there's a car there, then there's a better chance that there will be people around increasing the chances of getting caught. Unless you parked in a public lot overnight, I suppose.

The bigger advantage would be the cord cold be vehicle specific, so the charging stations would NOT be vehicle specific... making standardization of EVSEs very simple... but that's another discussion.
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:59 pm

Smidge204 wrote:
mirko wrote:Thieves don't care if they steel a cord attached to an EVSE or my cord. So how does carrying my cord stop a copper thief?

There's no cord to steal unless there's a car parked there charging.

If there's a car there, then there's a better chance that there will be people around increasing the chances of getting caught. Unless you parked in a public lot overnight, I suppose.

The bigger advantage would be the cord cold be vehicle specific, so the charging stations would NOT be vehicle specific... making standardization of EVSEs very simple... but that's another discussion.
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So when a car (any car/truck/SUV) is parked in a public parking lot nobody will break into it? I thought that happens a lot. Even at busy malls. There is a chance of them getting caught there too. Why would they be more afraid of getting caught stealing a cable than breaking into a car?

http://www.arlnow.com/2012/11/27/more-c ... city-mall/
http://www.wthr.com/story/16122062/thie ... quare-mall
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Re: Copper wire thieves

Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:10 am

mirko wrote:
Smidge204 wrote:
mirko wrote:Thieves don't care if they steel a cord attached to an EVSE or my cord. So how does carrying my cord stop a copper thief?

There's no cord to steal unless there's a car parked there charging.

If there's a car there, then there's a better chance that there will be people around increasing the chances of getting caught. Unless you parked in a public lot overnight, I suppose.

The bigger advantage would be the cord cold be vehicle specific, so the charging stations would NOT be vehicle specific... making standardization of EVSEs very simple... but that's another discussion.
=Smidge=


So when a car (any car/truck/SUV) is parked in a public parking lot nobody will break into it? I thought that happens a lot. Even at busy malls. There is a chance of them getting caught there too. Why would they be more afraid of getting caught stealing a cable than breaking into a car?

http://www.arlnow.com/2012/11/27/more-c ... city-mall/
http://www.wthr.com/story/16122062/thie ... quare-mall


You are missing the point. It's not about eliminating theft completely it's about making it harder. How many hours is the actual EVSE actually being used? Our EVSEs have cables available for stealing 24 hours a day. The EU EVSEs only have them when a car is charging. Obviously that is going to leave cables out less time therefore reducing the likelihood that the cables will get stolen. This doesn't stop it, just reduces it.

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