highcountryrider
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:23 am

That was my impression when I took off the cover. "I paid almost 1K for THIS?" :(
2011 Nissan LEAF™ SV trim, blue ocean, no options, accessories:
floor and cargo mats, cargo net.
Ordered on: 05/16/2011
Delivered Sept 3, 2011.
AV Dock installed.

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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:23 pm

highcountryrider wrote:That was my impression when I took off the cover. "I paid almost 1K for THIS?" :(


Yes, there are more components in the included LEAF EVSE and it is made better. I think the AV unit is worth about $300 tops retail. The cord is decent but the rest is laughable for even $400. I think AV has mastered the fear factor with Nissan tricking people into thinking they need this unit for arbitrary reasons so people are scared to do otherwise. I expect all decent and future EVSE units to be 7.2kw or higher and even these overpriced plastic boxes to be outdated soon. What a racket.

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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:31 pm

I purchased a SPX PowerExpress before they raised their prices. It was 749.99 plus shipping and GA sales tax. The unit is selectable for different amp all the way up to 240v @ 32amps.

highcountryrider
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:49 pm

For all that, I have to admit that the AV box has never failed to charge my LEAF. It does work. :)
2011 Nissan LEAF™ SV trim, blue ocean, no options, accessories:
floor and cargo mats, cargo net.
Ordered on: 05/16/2011
Delivered Sept 3, 2011.
AV Dock installed.

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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:25 am

I dunno, folks. It's kind of a question of different tastes and priorities, don't you think? I like my AV unit. It is already capable of 32amp to accommodate the upcoming 6.6V charger. It cost me $721.12, which isn't the lowest price, but in the ballpark with other EVSEs. True, it's not as sleek as GE's Wattstation, but on the other hand it is much smaller and less obtrusive. And at least it is better looking than Leviton's EVSE --in my humble opinion. I guess I tend to prefer practical simplicity more than appearance. (And my wife will testify to that with gritted teath, in that I have no class and would just as soon eat off of Corelle than fine china.) Moreover, I like the idea of supporting the company that has been in the EV game for so long, having built the Sunracer and subsequently helped create the Impact/EV1.

Of course... I still can't even order my Leaf yet, so I have no idea how well my AV EVSE will perform. It seems like the Blink has had a lot of problems, but have any of you had an AV unit fail?

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Leaf Number: 7922
Location: West Coast, USA

Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:37 am

For what is in these units have in them and at what they cost the manufacture are making a ton of money on these EVSE. :x
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:39 pm

I live in a Townhouse and for some bizarre reason, other than like most townhouses that have their power panel in the garage, mine is in a wall in my bedroom but is DIRECTLY above my garage.....approximately 10' directly above where I want my charger installed on the garage wall. Aerovironment's estimate? It's a "Custom" installation and the quote all included was a simply staggering $3135. $1,791 of that was just the installation fee. Are you freaking kidding me? My first thoughts were what's it going to take? On a good day, everything goes well, probably 60 - 90 minutes. If trouble getting holes drilled and finding way through the walls/joists/bottom plate/etc to the wall below, maybe 2 - 3 hours. For $1,791. Holy crap, I'm quitting my career after 30 years and going back to electrician school. Those guys are making $600 - $1200 per hour.

Ok, fine, you say, but they have to go get the permit and all that paperwork stuff don't forget? Oh no, don't worry, within the estimate they have a further $299 for them to process the permit.

So I went and got my own certified electrician. Took him just under 3 hours to do it all. $800. And this was not some cheap guy. This was a higher-level electrical company as I have to make my Townhouse Mgt people happy that I'm doing it all correctly. So yeah, I saved just a hair under $1000 from the simply amazing Aerovironment's estimate. They are PRICE GOUGING and just because Nissan handed them the golden ring to do these installations does not give them the right to do that to people. It just pisses me off.

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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:05 am

I have posted before that AV wanted over $1,000 to install in my garage that is completely prewired for an EV by the original home builder.
I added a cord to a Schneider evse and plugged it into the 14-50 outlet. No way would I do any business with AV at those prices.

I will say it over and over.... skip the $100 sucker fee.
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:46 am

I believe AV gives the installer about $600 (only IF they get the job), and AV pockets the remainder, including the $100 "estimate" fee.
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Re: Aerovironment EVSE install information

Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:41 pm

Since the EVSE tax credit was set to expire I bit the bullet and got a 240V charger even though I probably could have lived with plugging into a regular 120V outlet. I went with AV because they are the only ones with a 25' cable and I needed the extra distance to reach my car. My installation quote was $2800. They waived the $100 fee and I ended up doing a "Cash and Carry". The EVSE was $1040 and my electrician http://www.Abender.com charged me $250. I ran the conduit and wiring myself. The run is almost 60' of 1" PVC. I used 8AWG wire and 10AWG for the ground. EVSE was placed into service (passed Miami-Dade county inspection) with just days left in 2011. Although it is weatherproof I might put it in a cabinet of some sort. For now I am just protecting the cord. I found a simple solution by covering it with a 3/4 inch electric cord keeper from IKEA (also available in black at Radio Shack).
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