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Chademo vs SAE

Tue May 22, 2012 9:12 am

Nothing most of us haven't already seen, but a good article none the less:

http://www.hybridcars.com/news/chademo- ... 46208.html
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Re: Chademo vs SAE

Tue May 22, 2012 9:32 am

I want to see video of that meeting at the with California Government where GM got booed :)
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Re: Chademo vs SAE

Tue May 22, 2012 9:51 am

A good article, I would agree.

Asking to leave California’s many Leaf owners stranded, and to favor still non-existent owners of still non-existent EVs that comply with a still non-existent SAE standard, amounts to a real declaration of war, and a rather hamfisted one.
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Re: Chademo vs SAE

Tue May 22, 2012 9:54 am

Re. hybridcars article:

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Re: Chademo vs SAE

Tue May 22, 2012 10:12 am

EricBayArea wrote:I want to see video of that meeting at the with California Government where GM got booed :)
I want to see proof of
CHAdeMO has been adopted by the tens of thousands who bought Nissan’s Leaf and some of Mitsubishi’s iMIEV.
Again with the tens of thousands. I want to see numbers. How many Leaf's out there actually have a CHAdeMO charger? There's less than 12K Leaf's in the U.S. How many folks spent the extra 2 grand on the SL? How many of the Leaf's on the road are leased and the owners won't care in a year or two? How many folks live in states and regions without ANY quick chargers?

I think the numbers are way smaller than Nissan's letting on.
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Re: Chademo vs SAE

Tue May 22, 2012 10:18 am

At least Nissan's numbers are in motion.
SAE-GM current=Zero planned=Zero (or name the car and production date)

SAE-GM has had since the EV-1 to figure this out. Time to do your business or let others do theirs.
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Re: Chademo vs SAE

Tue May 22, 2012 10:41 am

smkettner wrote:At least Nissan's numbers are in motion.

An extremely vocal extremely minor minority.
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Re: Chademo vs SAE

Tue May 22, 2012 11:54 am

DANandNAN wrote:
EricBayArea wrote:I want to see video of that meeting at the with California Government where GM got booed :)
I want to see proof of


Because somebody made this up? I doubt there is any "proof" that would satisfy you, and it becomes crystal clear that you are nothing more than a stooge for GM.

many Leaf's out there actually have a CHAdeMO charger? There's less than 12K Leaf's in the U.S. How many folks spent the extra 2 grand on the SL? How many of the Leaf's on the road are leased and the owners won't care in a year or two? How many folks live in states and regions without ANY quick chargers?I think the numbers are way smaller than Nissan's letting on.


Lots of accusations, and the facts are easy enough to get. Most LEAFs have Chademo (like 90%+).

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Re: Chademo vs SAE

Tue May 22, 2012 12:36 pm

DANandNAN wrote:
smkettner wrote:At least Nissan's numbers are in motion.

An extremely vocal extremely minor minority.


according to Nissan, the majority of Leaf's sold included the QC port so they made it standard for 2012. many of us got the port for free with participation in the EV project, you know, the project studying the adoption of EV's in the US, the one that requires a CHAdeMO port in order to participate.

In some ways I don't really give a crap what the standard will be, what I do feel strongly about is getting a decent network in place as soon as possible and since the SAE sat on it's hands for years, that means moving forward with what is here now. I don't think Nissan cares as much about what standard is adopted down the line as they do about moving forward now while there is momentum. Throwing the breaks on CHAdeMO and waiting for the SAE standard to work it's way down the pipes will delay the development of a QC network for years. It is critical to get quick charging in place while the EV project is still underway because I believe it will be the DC QC network that will show just how viable EV's are in the study. Right now there is great debate as to whether L2 should be installed everywhere (some even still argue for L1) or whether it's L3 that is the key to public infrastructure... we need to find out which combination of L2 and L3 is the best use of resources by studying use patterns, before and after each are introduced and we have that opportunity now. Regardless of the standard, getting the network up and running will be very crucial to determining what is needed and replicated across the country, using whatever standard is then agreed upon. Some potential waste now will provide very useful information needed to improve efficient use of resources going forward. the biggest challenge to QC installs is finding willing parties and having adequate power supply. Mass produced charging stations in the future will bring down the price point and if a new standards wins out it will be relatively inexpensive to retrofit or replace the old stations. Honestly, the money being thrown at this is peanuts compared to what we spend defending oil interests abroad, subsidizing big oil and gas car manufacturers here at home. If you need a cause and want to get worked up about waste, dig a little into defense contracts, everything spent on EV's is jump change in comparison. EV's offer the prospects of energy independence which is critical to national security.
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Re: Chademo vs SAE

Tue May 22, 2012 12:42 pm

DANandNAN wrote:
smkettner wrote:At least Nissan's numbers are in motion.

An extremely vocal extremely minor minority.

Minority? So far CHAdeMO is the ONLY. SAE-GM has yet to build car 1.
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