MalcolmReynolds
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Re: New Tires

Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:16 pm

There are different sizes of tires based on the trim level of the car. I don't know if there were any specific changes to the cars over the years regarding wheel and tire sizes. On the 2013 SL trim the wheels are 17". The OEM tire size for the SL in 2013 is 215/50R17.

So when looking up and choosing your tire make sure to look it up by model.
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Re: New Tires

Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:08 am

4CloverLeaf wrote:
sub3marathonman wrote:
If the LEAF was an ICE, I would agree with slightly higher rolling resistance, but with the LEAF, there are really only two wear items adding to the cost per mile, the battery (oh, I had to mention it) and the tires. Those extra miles will result in slightly less wear and tear on the battery, which is the by a far margin the major cost of driving the LEAF.


The cost of the small percentage extra wear on the battery can't ever come close to the cost of fixing me if I am ever in a crash. I value my safety much higher then some additional wear on my battery. Plus, my battery came with a warranty where my neck does not.

There is no way around the trade off. If you want the highest possible range, you are going to sacrifice traction. How much range and traction a person wants is their own decision and there is no right answer that applies to everyone. I do know that most of the time EVs go out to drive they don't need their maximum range or the maximum traction so...


I don't think that anyone should be suggesting that the stock Leaf tires are unsafe, and that you should buy "better' traction tires. Every Leaf on the road came with the Ecopias, and they do not have a problem with the cars crashing because of bad tires.

Those that want to drive their car FASTER than they should (with an EV) - - SHOULD get tires with more traction for YOUR safety. I will continue getting the Ecopias for the life of the car unless a better alternative pops up...

webb14leafs
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Re: New Tires

Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:05 am

Thanks for all of the comments.

I was just confused because I didn't realize that the originally installed Ecopias were different than those you buy from a dealer. Most people I know with a Leaf reported needing new tires after 20-25K miles. I assumed that was typical for all Ecopias. I now know it's not. Costco is having a deal on the Ecopias and their installation costs are much lower than most. I'll go with them.

I'm surprised Bridgestone lets Nissan install inferior versions of tires. My confusion is an example of how this can hurt their reputation.

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Re: New Tires

Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:47 am

webb14leafs wrote:
I'm surprised Bridgestone lets Nissan install inferior versions of tires. My confusion is an example of how this can hurt their reputation.

I was kind of thinking this also, but in the end if people end up needing to replace their tires much sooner, Bridgestone will end up selling more tires. Sure some people might purposely avoid them because the OEMs had such a short life but many others will probably just replace the tires with the same as OEM and not really think about it. Still others like me or people on this forum will read and find out the OEMs were built specifically to be cheap and the aftermarket equivalents are much better, so they'll still go with the Ecopia's(albeit the +'s). Bridgestone and especially Costco do make the Ecopia +'s very price competitive and while maybe if someone were giving me the tires or they would have been the same price as the comparable Michelin's I'd have gotten the Michelin's but in the end I ended up with the Ecopia's and have been happy.
Oh and it's not just Bridgestone that does the cheapo OEM tire game, I've had new vehicles with Michelin tires that wore out before 40k and the Michelin's I installed after that got 80k+. Just another example of cost cutting measures that get implemented when selling a $30-40k vehicle :(
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Re: New Tires

Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:42 am

Since Phoenix has heavy rains separated by long periods of hot, dry weather there is an accumulation of oil on the streets so wet traction is critical to me. The 16-inch OEM Bridgestone Ecopias on the 2011 were actually quite good in wet conditions (with oil residue) if they were inflated to 44 psi. The higher inflation pressure also improved handling and tread life. They would hydroplane and slide easily in the rain at 36 psi (probably because the weight of the Leaf caused the tread grooves to close under load).

The 17-inch OEM Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires that came on the 2015 were the worst radial tires I have ever driven on. I tried inflation pressures from 36 to 44 psi and wet traction was always bad. I ultimately chose to run them at 44 psi for best dry handling and tread life. They did not last any longer than the Ecopias and I gladly replaced them.

I put Michelin MXM4 tires on the 2011 with excellent results except for about 10% reduction in range. The Continental sport performance tires I put on the 2015 are great, but range reduction was about 15% overall (more loss on highway, less on city streets). After driving Leafs on a total of four different sets of tires, I recommend Ecopias inflated to 44 psi if range is a concern. I recommend sport performance tires of your choice if range and cost are not concerns. Michelin passenger car tires are prone to premature sidewall cracking in hot dry climates so their performance tires are OK as long as you drive enough to wear them out in a couple of years. Note, I was happy with the MXM4s on the 2011 and considered them for the 2015, but they were not in stock and I needed to replace the OEM tires on short notice.
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Re: New Tires

Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:39 am

webb14leafs wrote:Thanks for all of the comments.

I was just confused because I didn't realize that the originally installed Ecopias were different than those you buy from a dealer. Most people I know with a Leaf reported needing new tires after 20-25K miles. I assumed that was typical for all Ecopias. I now know it's not. Costco is having a deal on the Ecopias and their installation costs are much lower than most. I'll go with them.

I'm surprised Bridgestone lets Nissan install inferior versions of tires. My confusion is an example of how this can hurt their reputation.


The version you buy have deeper treads. Almost all OEM tires have shallower tread depth; from all makers.

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Re: New Tires

Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:05 pm

The heck with all of that. I put Bridgestone DriveGuards (Run Flat) on about 4 months ago and love having some solice that I wont need to tow it home or get hold of a spare due to a flat. My summer range is about 4.3kw p mi in 100*+ heat. I'll gladly take the range hit.

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Re: New Tires

Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:37 pm

I recommend the Ecopia+ tires. I just went back to Ecopia after 23,000 miles on Michelins, and I'm instantly back up over 4.2 miles/kWh, and they're not even broken in yet. With the Michelins i struggled to get 4 miles/kWh.
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Re: New Tires

Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:00 pm

Anyone with experience with OHTSU tires? They are cheap, but have decent reviews - which is OK for my driving around the burbs. I'm going with new 17" rims - P205/50R17 match the original tire diameter quite close.
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Re: New Tires

Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:19 pm

Great thread, my vehicle is going to need new tires soon. They are Ecopia but only 20,000 miles and they look pretty worn. Previous owner has tons of record where she rotated them when they were do so they all have very even wear.
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