ixnay
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Re: Buying a used leaf, need some advice

Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:39 pm

So, possible hi-jack here.

What SOH on LeafSpy would the Combined Wisdom recommend for a lizard battery? I'm looking at 2015 models, coincidentally coming off lease now, at my next Leaf.

Are there other parameters? I'm not so concerned about SOC. Gids % (but wouldn't that reflect SOH?).

Thanks,

Ixnay

LeftieBiker
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Re: Buying a used leaf, need some advice

Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:34 pm

I'd look for a SOH above 90%, and preferably at least 94%, but that will vary by where the cars have "lived." In hotter areas, 90%+ would be good.
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ixnay
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Re: Buying a used leaf, need some advice

Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:31 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I'd look for a SOH above 90%, and preferably at least 94%, but that will vary by where the cars have "lived." In hotter areas, 90%+ would be good.


Thanks, LeftieBiker. I'm in the Pac NW, so I'm not expecting much degradation and I'm limiting the purchase to cars from the Pacific NW or, as it is, Portland to Seattle.

Reddy
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Re: Buying a used leaf, need some advice

Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:49 pm

discostu wrote:Thanks for all the tips folks, that 100k car does worry me.
The 2011 is 8 bars. I just test drove it and it's nice, but I was mistaken on the bars. I mixed it up with another one I was looking at. It's getting about 50 miles on a full charge, so that also concerns me. Hate to drop another $5k on either one of these cars in the next year or two.
I think I might have to up my price point and look for something a bit newer, but less concern about the batteries.
Again, thanks everyone for the input!

If both vehicles are the same price, go for the 2014 (unless it was a taxi), especially if it is NOT the "S" version. Highway miles are less damaging than city miles and 100,000 mi in less than 4 years must have a significant number of highway miles. If the 2011 is significantly less costly, it could easily be worth it, even when adding $6000 for a new battery. The 2011/2012 and "S" models after 2012 all have the energy sucking heater that really reduces range in winter.
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 45.80 AHr; 45,000 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
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Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

alozzy
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Re: Buying a used leaf, need some advice

Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:00 pm

@ixnay Don't know your budget or your preferred trim level, but this SL looks good:

http://paramountmotorsnw.com/detail.asp ... nly=Nissan

http://cpo.nissanusa.com/nna/?1N4AZ0CP8FC320554

https://www.nissanusa.com/recalls-vin/#/#/Results/1N4AZ0CP8FC320554

I purchased my car from Paramount Motors, they were very good to deal with, although they don't bargain on the price. Based on the original sales sticker dealership in Everett, it's a PNW LEAF so the battery should be in excellent shape (assuming it hasn't been abused by the previous owner).
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Re: Buying a used leaf, need some advice

Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:13 pm

@ixnay This dealership in Edmonds and in Everett (two locations) has lots of LEAFs too:

http://www.campbellnissanofedmonds.com/ ... Model_Leaf
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Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
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Loving my first BEV :D

ixnay
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Re: Buying a used leaf, need some advice

Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:40 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I'd look for a SOH above 90%, and preferably at least 94%, but that will vary by where the cars have "lived." In hotter areas, 90%+ would be good.


Thanks again. Located a 2015 SL in Portland with a 94.7% SOH, later 95.7%, and parked it in my garage last night.

LeftieBiker
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Re: Buying a used leaf, need some advice

Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:00 pm

Good for you. Enjoy the car.
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webb14leafs
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Re: Buying a used leaf, need some advice

Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:24 am

discostu wrote:
GerryAZ wrote:Stu,

Where are you located, what are your daily driving needs, how do you plan to charge? I hate to offer recommendations without knowing your driving conditions.

Hi Gerry,
I'm in Atlanta. Driving would be about 20 miles each way, 4 days a week. I'm hoping I can charge it upon returning home on a regular 110 overnight. But if that doesn't work, I don't mind paying to put in a 220.
Thanks!


If the 2014 truly has 10 bars, I would snag it. It should meet your 40 mile round trip commuting needs for a while.

Charging on a 120 should be fine as long as you can do it for 10-12 hours.

$4,000 is a good price. A 2014 with low miles and 11 bars goes for over $9K.

lilly
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Re: Buying a used leaf, need some advice

Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:04 pm

For a used EV, look at the batteries. Look at the amount of real world miles you can put on the car with the battery capacity currently available. Will 30% of the range get you where you need to go and back home? If so, then buy the car. If not, then look elsewhere. Batteries don't suddenly die and need replacing. They just slowly lose capacity over time.

You should try to recharge up to 80% of full capacity and drain to 20% of full capacity to avoid super high and low battery voltage to help preserve battery function. Charge it to 100% once a month. This leaves 60% capacity for your daily commute. Halve that 60% capacity to account for future loss of battery capacity and you have 30% capacity. Is 30% of the real world range of the car good enough for you daily commute? If so, buy it. Otherwise, skip it as battery replacement is too expensive.

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