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Re: Possible Widespread 2018 Traction Battery Quick Charge Problems

Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:49 am

I like how you all continue to come up with expensive solutions to a problem that Nissan doesn't seem to feel they have.

They do not care about fast charging in the 2018 LEAF. If you do, this isn't the car for you.
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Re: Possible Widespread 2018 Traction Battery Quick Charge Problems

Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:13 am

Joe6pack wrote:I like how you all continue to come up with expensive solutions to a problem that Nissan doesn't seem to feel they have.

They do not care about fast charging in the 2018 LEAF. If you do, this isn't the car for you.


I can tell you they know this is a huge issue but it's marketing's job to play it down. Have you ever talked to any of their engineers from Japan? I have spoken to several of them personally including the lead for the entire project. Do you really think Nissan thinks this is not a huge issue? Perhaps not in 2011 but they are not stupid or in denial. When they have TMS expect them to make that very clear with new marketing and PR.

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Re: Possible Widespread 2018 Traction Battery Quick Charge Problems

Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:28 am

I can tell you they know this is a huge issue but it's marketing's job to play it down. Have you ever talked to any of their engineers from Japan? I have spoken to several of them personally including the lead for the entire project. Do you really think Nissan thinks this is not a huge issue? Perhaps not in 2011 but they are not stupid or in denial. When they have TMS expect them to make that very clear with new marketing and PR.


I just got off the phone with 877-664-2738 and I can tell you that at least they do not care AT ALL that the charge rates suck. They argue that it is normal and that Nissan does not promise any specific charge rate. I asked them why 2016 leaf pulls more power that 2018, and they could care less. Just like they did not care about 2011 leaf battery degradation until lawsuit was filed.

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Re: Possible Widespread 2018 Traction Battery Quick Charge Problems

Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:32 am

EVDRIVER wrote:
Joe6pack wrote:I like how you all continue to come up with expensive solutions to a problem that Nissan doesn't seem to feel they have.

They do not care about fast charging in the 2018 LEAF. If you do, this isn't the car for you.


I can tell you they know this is a huge issue but it's marketing's job to play it down. Have you ever talked to any of their engineers from Japan? I have spoken to several of them personally including the lead for the entire project. Do you really think Nissan thinks this is not a huge issue? Perhaps not in 2011 but they are not stupid or in denial. When they have TMS expect them to make that very clear with new marketing and PR.


They already have TMS ... on the e-NV200!! https://electrek.co/2018/04/24/nissan-e ... tery-pack/

"Interestingly, the battery pack is not exactly the same as the Leaf because Nissan actually includes an active thermal management system in the e-NV200."

As you've said, it's marketing's job to downplay the severity of the problem, but they most definitely are concerned about it.
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Re: Possible Widespread 2018 Traction Battery Quick Charge Problems

Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:17 am

Joe6pack wrote:I like how you all continue to come up with expensive solutions to a problem that Nissan doesn't seem to feel they have.

Your reasoning is circular. You may as well say "Nissan fitted the '18 LEAF with a crap battery so they must LOVE crap batteries."
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Re: Possible Widespread 2018 Traction Battery Quick Charge Problems

Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:05 pm

tcherniaev wrote:
I can tell you they know this is a huge issue but it's marketing's job to play it down. Have you ever talked to any of their engineers from Japan? I have spoken to several of them personally including the lead for the entire project. Do you really think Nissan thinks this is not a huge issue? Perhaps not in 2011 but they are not stupid or in denial. When they have TMS expect them to make that very clear with new marketing and PR.


I just got off the phone with 877-664-2738 and I can tell you that at least they do not care AT ALL that the charge rates suck. They argue that it is normal and that Nissan does not promise any specific charge rate. I asked them why 2016 leaf pulls more power that 2018, and they could care less. Just like they did not care about 2011 leaf battery degradation until lawsuit was filed.


There, you proved my point.
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Re: Possible Widespread 2018 Traction Battery Quick Charge Problems

Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:08 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Joe6pack wrote:I like how you all continue to come up with expensive solutions to a problem that Nissan doesn't seem to feel they have.

Your reasoning is circular. You may as well say "Nissan fitted the '18 LEAF with a crap battery so they must LOVE crap batteries."


This thread isn't about the battery. It's about quick charging. Nissan designed it to do exactly what they wanted it to do. Sorry it bothers so, but they will sell a crap ton of these things and no one will care about quick charging speed. To the average LEAF buyer, 22 kW on the second level 3 charge of the day will mean very little.
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Re: Possible Widespread 2018 Traction Battery Quick Charge Problems

Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:42 pm

tcherniaev wrote:
I just got off the phone with 877-664-2738 and I can tell you that at least they do not care AT ALL that the charge rates suck. They argue that it is normal and that Nissan does not promise any specific charge rate. I asked them why 2016 leaf pulls more power that 2018, and they could care less. Just like they did not care about 2011 leaf battery degradation until lawsuit was filed.


That's the Nissan North America customer support line. They're supposed to help you with issues like how to plug your car in, and how to pay your monthly lease payments.

When I asked them to put in a feature request to "bring back the 80% charge limit" on the 2016 leaf that was on my 2013 leaf, they told me that there was NOTHING they could do about it. If they could implement a smoother braking experience in firmware and put out a TSA for it (http://learnbyblogging.com/jerky-brakes ... e-the-app/), they could've brought back the 80% charge limit with little effort. The purpose of that customer support line is to tell you how to use the car within its limitations, nothing else. Not even to provide feedback back to corporate. It's not a reflection of the rest of Nissan.
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Re: Possible Widespread 2018 Traction Battery Quick Charge Problems

Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:02 pm

OTOH, I put in a request that did supposedly get to Nissan Corporate. I asked about special ordering an SL with cloth seats. The response was that the SL was their 'top of the line car' and that if I wanted cloth seats I should order a loaded SV. This after I noted that Around View now comes only with the SL. They really don't care what customers think, or want, as long as we buy the cars.
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Re: Possible Widespread 2018 Traction Battery Quick Charge Problems

Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:52 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:OTOH, I put in a request that did supposedly get to Nissan Corporate. I asked about special ordering an SL with cloth seats. The response was that the SL was their 'top of the line car' and that if I wanted cloth seats I should order a loaded SV. This after I noted that Around View now comes only with the SL. They really don't care what customers think, or want, as long as we buy the cars.


Mass production means a limited set of choices. Need to satisfy enough customers, not every customer. Do they care what you think? Not if you are not in the target group. Want to drive 500 miles days with 4 QC sessions? You are not in the target group of customers.
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