powersurge wrote:I don't know why people talk so much about Leaf vs. Model 3.
The are cars for 2 different demographics and uses.. Its like the difference between going to dinner at the local diner and going to Peter Luger's. Also, I cannot think why anyone would buy a Tesla long-term. They are 2 different animals.
While I think I understand your arguments, I respectfully suggest that there may be more demographic similarity than might be obvious. By the way, I do love Peter Luger's for that special over-the-top steak dinner, I also eat at the local diner and far more often, especially since dining at Luger's involves a trip from North Carolina to Brooklyn...but I digress.
I have a 2012 LEAF, and I have a 2018 Model 3. I'm the same demographic today as 9 years ago when I first put in my $99 reservation for the LEAF, though I'll admit to being 9 years older, and a tad wider. My interest in the Tesla was the short and declining range of the LEAF and the disappointing range improvements made to the LEAF over the years. Range is really my only ongoing complaint about the LEAF, but it is a significant one. Even with the "latest, greatest, announced" technology, the LEAF is still only able to muster slightly over 200 miles range.
Back in 2010 when I reserved and 2012 when I took delivery, the LEAF was the first widespread all-electric vehicle with sufficient range for being a 2nd or 3rd vehicle in a family, used by the person with the shortest commute. Over the years, EV's have developed the range to be actual ICE replacements, primarily in my opinion due to ranges exceeding 300 miles (Model 3), and for those needing only a commute vehicle, 200 miles (new LEAF, Bolt, Model 3 Mid-Range), and so on. The LEAF/Bolt/Others rely on home and 3rd-party charging options; the Teslas rely on home and the SuperCharger network. With ranges increasing to the level of ICE replacement, the annoyance factor now is length of time to do charging on a trip. I never was able to take my LEAF on any trip as such, and with its really decreased range, it would be folly to do so now even with a better 3rd-party charging network available. My Model 3 benefits from the SuperCharger network, but even that adds about two hours to what is a 10-hour road trip in an ICE, and winter worsens performance and range of all EV's if for no other reason that I will absolutely run the heater, though other factors are at play as well such as cold air density, battery temperatures, and so on.
So I think the LEAF demographic is and legitimately interested in the Model 3 because of its ICE-replacement ability. Yes, cost may preclude actual acquisition but that 2019 LEAF builds out online at almost $45k for Premier with bells & whistles, and that still yields only about 225 miles or so, worse in cold weather of course.
Regarding why anyone would buy a Tesla long-term, I have to reverse the question. Why would anybody buy a LEAF long-term? I think the answer is the same: it meets their needs, perceived or real, better than the other vehicle. I bought my LEAF, I bought my Model 3. I expect to keep the LEAF until the Model Y is available and, if I like it, trade in the LEAF for the Y as a 2nd vehicle. And maybe even trade in the Model 3 as well as I'm more and more not needed a 2nd vehicle for anything more than convenience.
Just my thoughts here.