joeriv
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Buying was way better for my 2017 S considering I received $20,500 in incentives and under MSRP - location CT.
WetEV said:And you know beyond any doubt that will be true for the buyer of a 2019 LEAF.
WetEV said:LeftieBiker said:I should have added that I expect most of the happy owners in more typical climates to have a 2015 Leaf. ;-)
And you know beyond any doubt that will be true for the buyer of a 2019 LEAF.
Err... How do you know this?
I think that all we can go by is the LEAF warranty.LeftieBiker said:WetEV said:LeftieBiker said:I should have added that I expect most of the happy owners in more typical climates to have a 2015 Leaf. ;-)
And you know beyond any doubt that will be true for the buyer of a 2019 LEAF.
Err... How do you know this?
How did we know that buying the last year Ford Pinto hatchback wasn't a great idea? They did, after all, install a gas tank shield... No one knows that buying a brand new Leaf with no TMS and higher cell density is a bad idea, but logic does tend to suggest that leasing one would be safer. My 2018 40kwh Leaf had lost 5.5% capacity (as of last November) after 6 months despite me doing everything humanly possible to keep the pack from getting hot.
Well, I did purchase my Leaf, and I do regret it. Temp was in the single digits today, and the car couldn't even make it 30 miles. Don't plan on your car having anywhere close to advertised range after 6 years.WetEV said:I haven't regretting purchasing my Leaf. So have a lot of other people, and not just in the PNW.
Did you buy Leaf "residing all its life" in local market, or imported from California/Arizona/Florida/other_hot_place? Because later options will make anyone to regret it even in North East.garsh said:Well, I did purchase my Leaf, and I do regret it
LeftieBiker said:How did we know that buying the last year Ford Pinto hatchback wasn't a great idea?
LeftieBiker said:My 2018 40kwh Leaf had lost 5.5% capacity (as of last November) after 6 months despite me doing everything humanly possible to keep the pack from getting hot.
You need to look through the old posts of this forum. I've been here from the start.Leaf15 said:Did you buy Leaf "residing all its life" in local market, or imported from California/Arizona/Florida/other_hot_place? Because later options will make anyone to regret it even in North East.
SageBrush said:I think that all we can go by is the LEAF warranty.
Is a car that will have no less than 27 kWh over 8 years worth $30K ? Worth $25k ? Worth $20k ? Worth $15k ?
Each to their own.
I feel bad for the early Leaf adopters (pre-2015 or so) that got screwed with the unexpected degradation but we all know what we're signing up for at this point.
LeftieBiker said:"We all" in this case being the relatively small number of people who have read about the battery issues here and at the one or two other sites that have described it more or less correctly. Most people buying or leasing a new or used Leaf aren't being informed of the battery issues, making this an ongoing cluster-fail, not old news...
LeftieBiker said:Why do we have 'these debates over and over again'? Because folks like WetEV keep misleading new people, in the apparent hope that they will buy a New Leaf without worrying about the battery - as long as they don't live in Arizona or maybe Florida or New Mexico. Anyplace else is apparently fine, now that Nissan has fixed the battery issues. :|
LeftieBiker said:You ask why we keep having this debate.
That is the reason I asked. Bad news really, but mine was used CPO with over 3 years and 29K miles and battery was at SOH 98% when I got it and LeafSpy showing > 103% of SOC (in GIDs). SOH is at 94% right now after +5K miles, but it is winter and it was really cold day I took the reading. I think it will move back higher in the summer. It will take over 10 years for me to hit 100K. Although, I use it for every errand when possible, even create some fake ones time-to-time.garsh said:For some reason, people like you seem to think that the batteries are only going bad in places like Arizona. That's not true.
I should improve the arithmetic a bit and mention one BIG caveat.golfcart said:This post could be copied and pasted into 90% of the threads on this forum and end most of the debates. The batteries are what they are, that is a deal breaker for some and not for others based on needs, desired bells and whistles, and actual cost paid for the vehicle.
There is an article https://cleantechnica.com/2019/01/06/40000-miles-with-the-2018-nissan-leaf/ of some dude really abusing Leaf on Uber in very hot place, with 3-4 QC a day and dumping ice of the battery to help with QC and he had 95% SOH at 5K miles and after 40K of abuse SOH is at 92.5%.
Some folks make claims: if you reset BMS you may get pretty good chunk of capacity back as some of degradation simply added implicitly by computer as projected loss of capacity. Pretty much 50/50 chance of getting some capacity back. I would ask dealership to reset BMS. They should do it for ~$100, but I think it is worse a try in your situation. It is easy to verify as your capacity bars will reset to 12 and then later BMS will learn real capacity of the battery, so projected loss part will be thrown away.
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