Did you buy or lease ?

My First Leaf : Bought
34%
128
My First Leaf : Leased
61%
227
Not my First Leaf : Bought
1%
4
Not my First Leaf : Leased
4%
14
 
Total votes: 373
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TomT
Posts: 10500
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:09 pm
Delivery Date: 01 Mar 2011
Leaf Number: 000360
Location: Foothills of Granada Hills, CA
Contact: Website

Re: Poll : The official 2013 "Did you Lease or Buy?" thread

Mon May 20, 2013 9:28 am

Once again, a clueless dealer... It's definitely 6.0 Kw (output).

BestPal wrote:
LEAFfan wrote:DG, please tell your customers that it is a 6.0kW charger, not 6.6. It isn't twice as fast as the 3.3.
I was very curious about that and when I was at the dealership last night picking up my Leaf after some service done to it, I asked a Leaf tech and he said it actually is indeed a 6.6kW charger that is installed in 2013 models (optional on S).
59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 w/ new Lizard (barely made the warranty).
71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

Now driving a 2017 Volt Premier. Model 3 reserved.

RonDawg
Posts: 2520
Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:46 am
Delivery Date: 11 Jan 2013
Leaf Number: 027089
Location: SoCal

Re: Poll : The official 2013 "Did you Lease or Buy?" thread

Mon May 20, 2013 7:52 pm

TomT wrote:Once again, a clueless dealer... It's definitely 6.0 Kw (output).

BestPal wrote:
LEAFfan wrote:DG, please tell your customers that it is a 6.0kW charger, not 6.6. It isn't twice as fast as the 3.3.
I was very curious about that and when I was at the dealership last night picking up my Leaf after some service done to it, I asked a Leaf tech and he said it actually is indeed a 6.6kW charger that is installed in 2013 models (optional on S).


It's Nissan themselves that are spreading this misinformation, just like with the "100 mile range." It's even mentioned as "6.6 kW" on their own website.

They're dealers, not Consumer Reports, so they're not going to independently verify the manufacturer's claims.
Blue Ocean 2012 Leaf SV, lost that 1st bar on 11/21/2015 at 26,435 miles.
Lease returned on 12/23/2015. Final LeafStat figures: 225 Gids, 17.44 kWH, SOC 91.89%, SOH 82.36%, 69.49% HX, 54.57 Ahr, battery temp 61.8 F
Now driving a 2015 VW eGolf SEL

TanpaBensin
Posts: 9
Joined: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:31 pm
Delivery Date: 01 May 2013
Leaf Number: 404129
Location: Irvine, ca. Orange County

Re: Poll : The official 2013 "Did you Lease or Buy?" thread

Mon May 20, 2013 8:59 pm

I leased SV with quick charged package
$2250 down
$276 incl. tax
3yrs/36k
CA resident and waiting for my $2500 check.
Very happy with the Leaf so far. :D

Olsonist
Posts: 16
Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:52 am
Delivery Date: 14 Apr 2013

Re: Poll : The official 2013 "Did you Lease or Buy?" thread

Thu May 23, 2013 1:21 pm

I bought an SV+Charge+mats for 11% under MSRP or $29,921.80+tax+DMV-$7,500-$2,500.

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Lasareath
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Delivery Date: 20 Apr 2013
Leaf Number: 404190
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Re: Poll : The official 2013 "Did you Lease or Buy?" thread

Thu May 23, 2013 5:40 pm

I bought, 2013 with Every option except the 4 way camera / Bose Upgrade.

They had the sticker price at $36,160.00, I chewed them down to $34,000 even (Costco members get $2000 to $2500 off Cars when you go to their dealers) I told them this and they took off $2160.00

So I'm financing $34,000 @ 4.99 percent interest. Not the lowest but my old car died and I needed a car. I was hoping to buy a 2014 because I heard of longer range and induction charging.

I'm financing it because I carry a lot of tools and computers and I don't know how many miles I'll do so I may rip the seats and bang it up and piut too much millage on it for a lease. I usually drive my car 10 years before buying a new one.

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planet4ever
Posts: 4674
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:53 pm
Delivery Date: 02 May 2011
Leaf Number: 1537
Location: Morgan Hill, CA, south of San Jose

Re: Poll : The official 2013 "Did you Lease or Buy?" thread

Thu May 23, 2013 8:44 pm

BestPal wrote:
LEAFfan wrote:DG, please tell your customers that it is a 6.0kW charger, not 6.6. It isn't twice as fast as the 3.3.
I was very curious about that and when I was at the dealership last night picking up my Leaf after some service done to it, I asked a Leaf tech and he said it actually is indeed a 6.6kW charger that is installed in 2013 models (optional on S).
Why are so many people still confused about this? The facts are stated quite clearly in the 2013 Nissan LEAF Press Kit right there on an official Nissan website.

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3.6 kW onboard charger (3.3 kW output)
Charging time (est.)    220V ~ 7 hrs
                        110V 21 hrs

6.6 kW onboard charger (6.0 kW output)
Charging time (est.)    220V ~ 4 hrs
                        110V 21 hrs

The charger in the 2011/2012 was also 3.3 kW output.

[Well, OK, someone in Nissan still seems to think the US has 110v/220v rather than the 120v/240v we've had for more than half a century, but if the charger is really amperage-limited, not wattage-limited, that would just reduce both charging times a bit proportionally, not make the faster one twice as fast as the slower one.]

Ray
End of April 2013: Traded my 2011 SL for a 2013 S with charge pkg.

DougWantsALeaf
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Joined: Fri May 10, 2013 8:21 pm
Delivery Date: 18 May 2013
Leaf Number: 407811
Location: Chicago North Side

Re: Poll : The official 2013 "Did you Lease or Buy?" thread

Fri May 24, 2013 11:35 am

While I am still early in my Leaf Ownership/Lease, We have yet to need anything beyond level 1 charging. Everyone freaks out about a 21 hour charge time, until it sets in that you are rarely if ever at 0% SOC. Even from 30-40% SOC, an overnight charge has you back up at full charge. The whole, your home is a gas station (electrically speaking), really changes the paradigm.
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One87Ag
Posts: 3
Joined: Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:36 am
Delivery Date: 01 Jun 2013
Leaf Number: 408176
Location: NorCal

Re: Poll : The official 2013 "Did you Lease or Buy?" thread

Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:36 am

I went with lease, largely due to this forum and this thread. Thank you all for your posts. My specifics:

2013 SL, Black with premium package
VPP program for pricing; very smooth, no haggle, dealer invoice less $1,000
36 month, 15,000 mile lease; 15 cents per mile overage
$3,225 down including first month payment
Payments are just over $300 per month

I had never leased a vehicle before, being the type that tends to save up, buy for cash, and drive until the car falls apart. However, with the relative newness of the technology, the rate at which costs are coming down, and the overall uncertainty regarding resale/battery life, the lease seems to be a good insurance policy. Plus, with the $2,500 CA rebate, I am basically driving away with no up front investment and my fuel/maintenance savings more than offset the monthly operating cost.

LEAFguy
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Re: Poll : The official 2013 "Did you Lease or Buy?" thread

Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:39 am

We bought our 2011 SL in March of 2011. In two years we accumulated only 12,000 miles. Being the type of person that usually owns cars for a very long time (often 10 years or more), that was our expectation when we bought the LEAF. With the negative publicity surrounding the battery degradation issue the resale value of the LEAF was dropping more quickly than expected (and faced with the potential of our own future battery degradation given enough time and with the introduction of the 2013 model and its 15 percent better EPA range), we decided to sell the 2011 and lease a 2013. We sold our 2011 SL with quick charge port in March for $18,000, which I feel was reasonable. The guide that I use to determine real-world values is the completed listings page found at the eBay Motors auction site. There you will find many unsold vehicles with their final bids, but as importantly you will find the price of sold vehicles. As of today, one 2011 model sold for $16,997 (SL, QC port, 15,071 miles). Apparently it sold the week prior for $16,945, but that deal fell through. This sale was from a dealer in Tennessee that seems to be specializing in No Reserve auction sales of LEAFs, as well as other vehicles. Most private party sales are for less than those from a dealer.

The reason we chose to lease the 2013 - Nissan is providing a bottom under the value in three years. Also, Nissan is carrying the burden of the battery cost. No matter the capacity in three years, when the car is turned in Nissan is the responsible party for the battery pack, not me. My expectation is that LEAF 2.0 will be out around that time. The 2013 upgrades are minor and expected. The five year point (from initial introduction) is when major improvements can be expected in the car business. So my guess is that the 2016 model year LEAF will be due for the major upgrade. What will those expected upgrades be? Anyone's guess. More efficient battery pack certainly (providing more range). Another motor improvement? More efficient brake regen? (Hopefully better carpet by then.) As the SL with Premium Package already offers a nice selection of luxury features, I expect the majority of improvement to focus on the drivetrain which will apply across the range. With the potential for a body redesign, there does exist the possibility of seeing a change to Nissan's current battery thermal management system as well.

Nissan's aggressive lease offer has made the LEAF more attractive to more buyers as indicated by the explosion in LEAF activity, in certain West Coast markets particularly. Nissan's ongoing installation of DC quick charge stations in certain dealerships is also moving to reduce the range anxiety of buying a purely electric vehicle for many potential customers. Even in those hot climate markets where the early battery degradation took place, Nissan is still leasing LEAFs in greater numbers. Again, the attraction of the lease is not having to be concerned with battery replacement cost or potential degradation. Let Nissan carry those burdens.

Leasing a 2013 LEAF (or any electric vehicle for that matter), makes absolute sense. Even for guys like me that are naturally averse to leasing.

Bluebull
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Delivery Date: 25 Jan 2013
Leaf Number: 026463
Location: Fort Worth Texas area

Re: Poll : The official 2013 "Did you Lease or Buy?" thread

Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:49 pm

stavtom wrote:Looking into buying or leasing a 2013 Nissan Leaf S.

I live in CA and it seems like after the rebates the Leaf S comes to 18800 (thinking I can get the dealer down to 17000 after the rebates?)

Given this, why would people leasing the S? Seems like the current best deal people are getting for a lease is 5200 over two years and 30k max.

Do people see the benefits of a lease being no repair cost the first two years, and the opportunity to buy a much better leaf in a few years? Otherwise it seems like the 5200 cost is about 1/3rd of what I can just buy and keep the car with.

I wasn't aware that Nissan will have new generation of Leaf by 2015. I am leasing a 2012 now but if they can shorten the charging time (as they have apparently done with the 6.6 Kw charger on board) and increase the electric range (200 or 300 would be nice) and do all this for less than 30K, I will be buying instead of leasing.
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