johnrhansen
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Leaf Number: 409445
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:01 pm

The lowest charge I ever got to was 3 percent. This weekend. The percent charge turned into dashed lines it was so low. I had some pretty white knuckles for that last mile! The miles to go went to dashes about 5 miles before that. I only knew it was 3 because I was hooked up to a level 3 charger that showed the charge level.
2013 S model with quick charge package.
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Winter is hard on range!

Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:48 am

I've been riding two-wheel EVs for so long that I go into Conserve Charge Mode early enough to avoid that. I have a real aversion to running super-low on power, having once found myself riding at 10MPH on the shoulder of the highway, on a cold, dark night, not knowing if I'd make it home...
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rodkar
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Location: San Diego, CA

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:40 pm

It's been a bit colder than normal here in San Diego (35°F at night, yes I know that's still not "cold" compared to other cities) so I did notice whenever we turned the heater on, we would see a significant loss in charge. Last night I drove about 23 miles at night starting at 55% and ended up at home with 20% while the heater was on through half of that time.

We just purchased our Nissan Leaf 2013 last weekend, but after reading a few posts on this forum, it makes me concerned about the battery degradation throughout time. I've been driving the car for less than a week and all is great so far.
I usually start with 100% charge. (I've read a lot about 80% charge; is it better to be on 80% charge than 100%?).
Are there certain specific things a new owner should make sure to do to try to preserve the battery as much as possible? Or is it an inevitable degradation?

My work commute is 52 miles every weekday (26 each way, 10 mi city / 16 mi freeway). Although I can easily make it now, I've read some people's battery degradation has unallowed them to make their regular work commutes they were once able to do with their Leaf. Will I eventually not be able to make this commute?

Thanks in advance!
rodkar
2013 Nissan Leaf S | quick charger - bluetooth - rear view camera - cold weather package

ottok62
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Leaf Number: 405414

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:59 pm

I have been getting 2.1 m/kwh while the temperature in Denver was between -7 and 4f. This is stop and go traffic, running the heater at 75F and seats on low.
Denver, CO
2013 Leaf S Base model 3kwh Charger

ottok62
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Leaf Number: 405414

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:17 pm

LeafinThePark wrote:Winter is underway in Minneapolis. Since Thursday morning we have around or below zero (F). This morning it was -7F. Observations -

1. Pre-warming the car even with it plugged in cost me 2%. I think the climate control is taking more than the charger can deliver? I should be able to avoid this lost by proper use of the timer.

2. Any trip, no matter how short, will have a big impact on range. I didn't bring a lunch to work today so I ran out for a bite. The 4 mile trip took almost 10%...most of which went to keeping the windows clear and warming the cabin. It had warmed to about 2F at lunchtime.

3. The Leaf handles very well with snow and icy roads. Traction control kicks in at the appropriate time and works as it should. This was with the original tires.

4. Heated seats and steering wheel really help, but I'm not a huge fan of the cycling they go through. They also seem slow to warm in extreme cold like this morning.

5. Based on one data point from yesterday, the range dropped about 40% from my summer range. This was with the climate control set at 60F (the lowest setting...wish we could set it lower). This was with slow driving as traffic was backed up yesterday...lot's of time spent at 10mph or slower. In this case this probably cost me range as I was running the heater and defrost for a good portion of the time.

6. Looks like we will be in a cold to very cold pattern for a couple of weeks....good chance to learn more and to figure out how to optimize cold weather range. Outside of a couple of days where it is suppose to sneak into double digits it looks like we will be just oscillating between single digits above and below zero.

7. At lot of you guys do not know what 'cold' means :)




27 mile round trip cost me 70% in Denver last week. Temps around 0f.
Denver, CO
2013 Leaf S Base model 3kwh Charger

IraqiInvaderGnr
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Leaf Number: 404138
Location: Treynor, Iowa

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:05 pm

ottok62 wrote:
LeafinThePark wrote:Winter is underway in Minneapolis. Since Thursday morning we have around or below zero (F). This morning it was -7F. Observations -

1. Pre-warming the car even with it plugged in cost me 2%. I think the climate control is taking more than the charger can deliver? I should be able to avoid this lost by proper use of the timer.

2. Any trip, no matter how short, will have a big impact on range. I didn't bring a lunch to work today so I ran out for a bite. The 4 mile trip took almost 10%...most of which went to keeping the windows clear and warming the cabin. It had warmed to about 2F at lunchtime.

3. The Leaf handles very well with snow and icy roads. Traction control kicks in at the appropriate time and works as it should. This was with the original tires.

4. Heated seats and steering wheel really help, but I'm not a huge fan of the cycling they go through. They also seem slow to warm in extreme cold like this morning.

5. Based on one data point from yesterday, the range dropped about 40% from my summer range. This was with the climate control set at 60F (the lowest setting...wish we could set it lower). This was with slow driving as traffic was backed up yesterday...lot's of time spent at 10mph or slower. In this case this probably cost me range as I was running the heater and defrost for a good portion of the time.

6. Looks like we will be in a cold to very cold pattern for a couple of weeks....good chance to learn more and to figure out how to optimize cold weather range. Outside of a couple of days where it is suppose to sneak into double digits it looks like we will be just oscillating between single digits above and below zero.

7. At lot of you guys do not know what 'cold' means :)




27 mile round trip cost me 70% in Denver last week. Temps around 0f.


70% of battery for a 27 mile seems extreme to me. I go daily 50 miles highway speeds without heat and still have 25-35% left in battery.
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Rauv
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Location: Twin Cites, MN

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:33 pm

Yes, winter is hard on range! -9 F this morning. I charged to 80%+ this morning (226 Gids), pre-heated to 70 degrees, drove to work with the CC set to 60--happy that Nissan was smart enough not to program the the A/C to undo my pre-heat---I worked for 6 hours, drove to lunch at 0 degrees F and drove home 4 hours later. All cold soak times for the car. 2 TB each trip. Pulled into the driveway below VLBW (24 Gids) and only 29.0 total miles on the ODO. Funny thing is that the peak heater load was only 4.5 kW. My old '12 Leaf with resistance heat would peg out at 6 kW. Hard to believe that the HP was operating at all, but I could hear it running when I got out to grab the mail.
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KJD
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Re: Winter is hard on range!

Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:45 pm

Rauv wrote:Yes, winter is hard on range! -9 F this morning. I charged to 80%+ this morning (226 Gids), pre-heated to 70 degrees, drove to work with the CC set to 60--happy that Nissan was smart enough not to program the the A/C to undo my pre-heat---I worked for 6 hours, drove to lunch at 0 degrees F and drove home 4 hours later. All cold soak times for the car. 2 TB each trip. Pulled into the driveway below VLBW (24 Gids) and only 29.0 total miles on the ODO. Funny thing is that the peak heater load was only 4.5 kW. My old '12 Leaf with resistance heat would peg out at 6 kW. Hard to believe that the HP was operating at all, but I could hear it running when I got out to grab the mail.

Why not use the end timer to finish charging to 100% just before you leave for work ?

It will not hurt the battery that way. Just do not leave it at 100% SOC for long periods of time.
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XeonPony
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Delivery Date: 03 Nov 2013
Leaf Number: 413826
Location: Yorkton, sask, Canada

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:07 pm

0 to -10F wish we had some of that blazing hot weather here, at -27.4f (-33c) using no heat, driving about 75Km an hour with a tail wind I can just make 64Km with 20% soc remaining, trip home I am lucky if I am over 85% after 9h charging at L1, when I get home under same circumstances I have 5 to 7% remaining soc

makes me really apreciate the seat heater and steering weel heater, today I had to shut off the seat heater and crack a window! as I only managed 80% charge
2013 SV Leaf, Level 2 charger, so far all works great! 130Km daily, 100% charge at night on 240 then trickle charge for 8H durring the day on 120v.

Level 2 charge starts at 130am environmental starts at 6am to 25c for a toasty warm defrosted car!

kmp647
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Re: Winter is hard on range!

Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:48 am

if you are in a cold climate charge to 100% for your commute ! use the timer and preheat, charging to 80% and then hitting VLBW is worse for the pack than charging to 100% having a comfortable drive and getting home at 10 to 15%!!!!!!!!!

I just dont see alll the reason to baby a pack and kill your day if you are leasing anyway

I charge to 100% every day and topp when needed during the workday with trickle
34,500 miles and have all 12 cap bars

its winter! its cold ! charge all you can
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