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DNAinaGoodWay
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Re: Winter is hard on range!

Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:54 am

+1 charge baby charge!
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IraqiInvaderGnr
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Leaf Number: 404138
Location: Treynor, Iowa

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:53 am

kmp647 wrote:if you are in a cold climate charge to 100% for your commute ! use the timer and preheat, charging to 80% and then hitting VLBW is worse for the pack than charging to 100% having a comfortable drive and getting home at 10 to 15%!!!!!!!!!

I just dont see alll the reason to baby a pack and kill your day if you are leasing anyway

I charge to 100% every day and topp when needed during the workday with trickle
34,500 miles and have all 12 cap bars

its winter! its cold ! charge all you can


Completely agree. I have preheat set at 90°F and start the preheat an hour before I depart.
2013 SL Silver Manufactured 02-13 Purchased 04-13
Top Gids 295 miles 7-25-13 6,700
AHr 62.73 Health 95.01% Gids 272 miles as of 9-8-14 28,287

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johnrhansen
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Leaf Number: 409445
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:47 am

Is it that hard on the battery to drain it way down?
2013 S model with quick charge package.
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EatsShootsandLeafs
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Re: Winter is hard on range!

Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:08 pm

I always 80% but need to go to 100%. The range hit on this car in the winter is frankly monstrous.

Klayfish
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Location: East Greenville PA

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:14 pm

IraqiInvaderGnr wrote:
kmp647 wrote:if you are in a cold climate charge to 100% for your commute ! use the timer and preheat, charging to 80% and then hitting VLBW is worse for the pack than charging to 100% having a comfortable drive and getting home at 10 to 15%!!!!!!!!!

I just dont see alll the reason to baby a pack and kill your day if you are leasing anyway

I charge to 100% every day and topp when needed during the workday with trickle
34,500 miles and have all 12 cap bars

its winter! its cold ! charge all you can


Completely agree. I have preheat set at 90°F and start the preheat an hour before I depart.


An hour before departure? Will it stay on that long? I have mine set to preheat, but it seems like it heats the cabin then shuts off?
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IraqiInvaderGnr
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Location: Treynor, Iowa

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:01 pm

Klayfish wrote:
IraqiInvaderGnr wrote:
kmp647 wrote:if you are in a cold climate charge to 100% for your commute ! use the timer and preheat, charging to 80% and then hitting VLBW is worse for the pack than charging to 100% having a comfortable drive and getting home at 10 to 15%!!!!!!!!!

I just dont see alll the reason to baby a pack and kill your day if you are leasing anyway

I charge to 100% every day and topp when needed during the workday with trickle
34,500 miles and have all 12 cap bars

its winter! its cold ! charge all you can


Completely agree. I have preheat set at 90°F and start the preheat an hour before I depart.


An hour before departure? Will it stay on that long? I have mine set to preheat, but it seems like it heats the cabin then shuts off?


I don't use the climate control timer. I use the car wings app and turn on climate control. I don't think the climate control timer works as well.
2013 SL Silver Manufactured 02-13 Purchased 04-13
Top Gids 295 miles 7-25-13 6,700
AHr 62.73 Health 95.01% Gids 272 miles as of 9-8-14 28,287

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Rauv
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Re: Winter is hard on range!

Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:17 pm

I thought that charging to 100% versus 80% wasted energy because the upper 20% was tapered down and full of balancing inefficiency. Maybe I'm dead wrong. Does anyone have a graph of Gids received by the battery vs kwh over a full charge?
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Winter is hard on range!

Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:41 pm

Rauv wrote:I thought that charging to 100% versus 80% wasted energy because the upper 20% was tapered down and full of balancing inefficiency. Maybe I'm dead wrong. Does anyone have a graph of Gids received by the battery vs kwh over a full charge?


I think that you're confusing the much slower end charge that DCQC stations use to prevent overheating with the more sharply-tapering charge you get with L-1 or L-2. The latter seem to slow for the last few percent, not the last twenty percent.
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johnrhansen
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Re: Winter is hard on range!

Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:59 am

When charging to 100 percent, not a whole lot happens to the charge in the last hour. It goes up maybe 1 percent or so. All the while the computer and cooling system are drawing power. I'd imagine that's where most of that inefficiency is.

LeftieBiker wrote:
Rauv wrote:I thought that charging to 100% versus 80% wasted energy because the upper 20% was tapered down and full of balancing inefficiency. Maybe I'm dead wrong. Does anyone have a graph of Gids received by the battery vs kwh over a full charge?


I think that you're confusing the much slower end charge that DCQC stations use to prevent overheating with the more sharply-tapering charge you get with L-1 or L-2. The latter seem to slow for the last few percent, not the last twenty percent.
2013 S model with quick charge package.
AV 30 amp level 2 EVSE, Bosch PowerMax 30 Amp EVSE, EVSE upgraded EVSE.

MarvGordon
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Location: Buffalo, MN

Re: Winter is hard on range!

Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:04 am

Winter? how about MINNESOTA Winter?

Was driving my '13 SL in morning/evening temps of -12F to 0ish weather last week. My daily drive (one way) is 37 Miles of mostly 55MPH highway. I was using the seat heaters but had to cycle on the heater for at least half of my drive. We had quite a few days of winds out of the NW at 10-12MPH which is a direct headwind on my way home. I was getting around 50% efficiency. Considering the brutal weather, I was quite happy with the car.

40F is SPRING in these parts :lol:

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