Valdemar
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:43 am

RegGuheert wrote:
Valdemar wrote:I can't quickly find the empirical Ahr to bar mapping but there was a fairly significant variance at bar loss points, if memory serves.
I recently posted about that here. It appears that the MY2015 LEAFs do not drop their twelfth bar until they get below about 53 Ah.


Thanks, then my 12th bar may linger for a bit longer. It is disappointing that Nissan has been inflating the bars on the newer battery packs.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB)
54.94AHr, SOH 86%, 130k miles
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Stanton
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:38 am

I've finally lost the first bar on my second (lizard) battery. The numbers (per LeafDD):

Months = 28
Miles = 22k
Ahr = 53.42
H = 72.61

Don't know why my "H" is so bad, but I still get decent range (70+ miles @4 mi/kWh).
This is better than my first battery...but only slightly :(
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Evoforce
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:07 pm

Stanton wrote:I've finally lost the first bar on my second (lizard) battery. The numbers (per LeafDD):

Months = 28
Miles = 22k
Ahr = 53.42
H = 72.61

Don't know why my "H" is so bad, but I still get decent range (70+ miles @4 mi/kWh).
This is better than my first battery...but only slightly :(


Yup, I lost a bar on both of my cars last month. These are second battery cars also.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

although
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:47 am

It finally happened. I lost the first bar on my 2015 Lizard battery.

49,500 miles, 2 years and 10 months old.

I'm not entirely unhappy with that. It can still do all the things that I need it to do, and will likely be able to do so with a couple more lost bars.

mike

Valdemar
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:01 am

although wrote:It finally happened. I lost the first bar on my 2015 Lizard battery.

49,500 miles, 2 years and 10 months old.

I'm not entirely unhappy with that. It can still do all the things that I need it to do, and will likely be able to do so with a couple more lost bars.

mike


Where are you located?
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB)
54.94AHr, SOH 86%, 130k miles
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lorenfb
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:57 pm

Valdemar wrote:
although wrote:It finally happened. I lost the first bar on my 2015 Lizard battery.

49,500 miles, 2 years and 10 months old.

I'm not entirely unhappy with that. It can still do all the things that I need it to do, and will likely be able to do so with a couple more lost bars.

mike


Where are you located?


Is there really any difference between the 2015 Lizard battery and the late 2013/2014 batteries? My '13 Leaf at 62K has 50 Ahrs remaining.
Which isn't all that great, but isn't totally depressing. Others with the same year as mine, indicate even better remaining capacities,
e.g. Dave with his previous 2013 Leaf.
Leaf SL MY 9/13: 66K miles, 50 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 charges to 100% > 1000, max battery temp < 95F, min discharge point > 20 Ahrs

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RegGuheert
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:34 pm

lorenfb wrote:Is there really any difference between the 2015 Lizard battery and the late 2013/2014 batteries?
Lower thresholds for bars?
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10K miles: Apr 14, 2013, 20K miles (55.7Ah): Aug 7, 2014, 30K miles (52.0Ah): Dec 30, 2015, 40K miles (49.8Ah): Feb 8, 2017, 50K miles (47.2Ah): Dec 7, 2017.
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:39 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
lorenfb wrote:Is there really any difference between the 2015 Lizard battery and the late 2013/2014 batteries?
Lower thresholds for bars?


I suspect that the 4/2013 - 2014 "Wolf Packs" are a little less tolerant of sustained high temps, and will degrade a bit faster in them than the Lizard packs.
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:37 pm

You're both probably right, i.e. Nissan actually did little to improve the battery. Wish we had some actual data.
Leaf SL MY 9/13: 66K miles, 50 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 charges to 100% > 1000, max battery temp < 95F, min discharge point > 20 Ahrs

SageBrush
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Re: Lizard Pack Holding Up

Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:07 pm

lorenfb wrote:Is there really any difference between the 2015 Lizard battery and the late 2013/2014 batteries? My '13 Leaf at 62K has 50 Ahrs remaining.
Which isn't all that great, but isn't totally depressing. Others with the same year as mine, indicate even better remaining capacities,
e.g. Dave with his previous 2013 Leaf.

Too much overlap amongst the anecdotes to say.

My 10/2013 LEAF has ~ 58 Ahr remaining but it spent the first 3 years in the Cupertino area and now lives a very pampered life in Colorado where the annual average battery temperature is 55F and peak battery temperatures are in the 80s F
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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