Toms3rdEV
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Leaf Number: 417747

Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:41 pm

After looking semi-seriously for a replacement EV over the last several months, I finally decided to just go for it. I'm not good at guessing the future, and it's anyone's guess what prices for used Leafs will look like next month or a year down the road. Pressure from new models coming out (Model 3 and '200 mile Leaf') might drive used prices down, or the general wave of more people buying electrics might cause a shortage of used EVs, and drive prices up.

Either way, today at least I am living in the moment. Found a 2013 SV with 17,500 miles in the local area for $8,888 (plus tax, etc.). Battery at 12 bars/89% SOH, good tires and only one or two door dings. Bonus was that it came with a 240v charging station - plugged it in to a 240v outlet in the garage and works well! Similar SVs in the area were either more expensive, has three times the miles, or looked like they were wrecked/repaired but not reported (nothing in Carfax) in order to not get penalized when returning the lease. Cheaper (but less honest) to eat a $900 repair to the front end as opposed to paying a $3,000 lease return penalty. Just a guess.

Prices and availability were much better only a couple of months ago. There are currently dozens (if not hundreds) of lease-return Leafs at the local auction yard, but the auction houses are only selling a few per week so as to not flood the market and have the bottom fall out of used Leaf prices, somewhat like what happened several months ago.

Basic use will be a daily driver. Workday commute is a total drive of 30 miles (15 miles each way) which is well within the capabilities of the Leaf, even once the battery has degraded. Mild temps in the area hopefully kept the battery from being too abused during its life as a leased vehicle.

For reference, my previous EV was a lead-sled conversion (1989 Ford Escort) done back in 1992. I acquired it about five years ago. Slow is an understatement. Numerous frame cracks from carrying around 900 pounds of golf cart batteries finally made solid the decision to retire the 25-year-old EV. Glad to be finally driving a modern electric!

Hoshnasi
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Location: Cerritos, California
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:20 pm

Yay,

I picked up my 2013 sl last night. It has 29k miles, ten bars and 72% SOH. Battery warranty runs out July 2018.

Primary use for the car is the weekly commute. 20 miles each way (40 total). On a full charge, battery shows 65 miles. I should be good for a few years of commuting. Perhaps I'll get lucky this hot summer and drop the bars enough to get a battery swap.

Thanks for the help when I asked all my questions.

BuckMkII
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Location: Seattle

Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:30 pm

Toms3rdEV wrote:Prices and availability were much better only a couple of months ago. There are currently dozens (if not hundreds) of lease-return Leafs at the local auction yard, but the auction houses are only selling a few per week so as to not flood the market and have the bottom fall out of used Leaf prices, somewhat like what happened several months ago.

It seems like that would only be a viable strategy if the supply of lease returns was trending downward. If the number of vehicles coming off lease is constant or increasing, holding back inventory now will just lead to an even greater backlog of unsold inventory in the future. But, I was no business major. Am I missing something here?

I bought 2013 SV (no QC) two weeks ago and have been stinking up the newbie subforum constantly. It was basically a San Jose car, so not the perfect battery climate but not too bad. It's more fun to drive than I expected, and at generally 20-30 miles per day it should serve our needs for a long time.
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

BakoDuck
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Leaf Number: 326738
Location: Bakersfield, CA

Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:03 am

BuckMkII wrote:
Toms3rdEV wrote:There are currently dozens (if not hundreds) of lease-return Leafs at the local auction yard, but the auction houses are only selling a few per week so as to not flood the market and have the bottom fall out of used Leaf prices, somewhat like what happened several months ago.

It seems like that would only be a viable strategy if the supply of lease returns was trending downward. If the number of vehicles coming off lease is constant or increasing, holding back inventory now will just lead to an even greater backlog of unsold inventory in the future. But, I was no business major. Am I missing something here?


It seems odd that there aren't a ton of 2014's showing up for auction/sale. I asked that question in a post, http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23974 but I'm not sure people understood my question. There should be thousands, not hundreds of 2014's coming up for sale. I wonder if a significant number of 2014's are going to Canada or overseas. They are definitely going somewhere. If/when they show up in the US market the used prices of the Leaf will soften even further.

alozzy
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:29 pm

This will definitely create some new demand for US EV imports in Quebec, Canada:

http://www.timetoelectrify.ca/quebec-bu ... ve-usedev/
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

BuckMkII
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Location: Seattle

Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:25 pm

alozzy wrote:This will definitely create some new demand for US EV imports in Quebec, Canada:

http://www.timetoelectrify.ca/quebec-bu ... ve-usedev/

Would a 2014 Leaf meet this requirement?
— comes with a warranty of at least three years or 40 000 km, and has been inspected and certified by an automobile manufacturer
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

alozzy
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:32 pm

To save people reading the article, these are the qualifying criteria:

  • is between three and four years old;
  • comes from outside Québec (to avoid having a Québec rebate on new vehicles applied more than once to the same vehicle);
  • was bought or leased from an authorized dealer;
  • comes with a warranty of at least three years or 40 000 km, and has been inspected and certified by an automobile manufacturer;
  • with a manufacturer’s suggested retail price below $125 000 if bought new


A 2014 Leaf certainly seems to fit the criteria. Are you from Quebec @BuckMkII?

The "was bought or leased from an authorized dealer" one is strange, as I'm wondering how Quebec will "authorize" US dealerships or other Canadian dealerships outside of Quebec for that matter.
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

BuckMkII
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Location: Seattle

Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:15 am

alozzy wrote:A 2014 Leaf certainly seems to fit the criteria. Are you from Quebec @BuckMkII?

No, I'm "from" Denver and live in Seattle. I just found this subject interesting, and couldn't remember/was too lazy to look up what the warranty terms were.
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

alozzy
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:02 pm

No worries :-)
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

bicyclist
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Delivery Date: 28 Jun 2017
Location: Annapolis, MD

Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread

Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:14 pm

I drove home 65 miles from the dealership where I bought my 2014 Leaf S this afternoon. Because of range anxiety, I trundled along at 60 ish with the AC and radio off :lol: , but made it with 22 miles of range showing. That's probably the longest trip it will ever make as its intended use is local travel. I'm retired and hope the thing will last until I'm ready to quit driving and an autonomous vehicle can take its place to haul me to the grocery store and the doctor's office.

It spent its former life as a leased vehicle in PA and was sold at auction in PA as a lot of them seem to be. I've been looking for awhile and not very happy with some of the dealers I've visited. They seem to think it's perfectly OK to publish a price on their website and then tack on outrageous "fees" when you sit down to buy. I don't argue; I tell them what I'm willing to pay and to call me if they change their mind. They always call with a better offer, but still higher than their advertised price. So, it was a pleasure to find a dealer who had what I wanted, was willing to honor their published price and the additional discount on their site and was less expensive than everybody else.

The S should serve me well. It has the Charge Option, which is the only extra I wanted. I don't need nav and cruise control to drive around town. This week's project is to wire a 240 outlet for Level 2. Meanwhile, I might run down to the free charging station a mile down the road. I saw a Leaf plugged in there one day when I was pedaling by and stopped to talk to the owner. She gave me a tour of the car, let me take a hot lap around the parking lot, and said that the roof of her business was covered with solar panels. Gotta find out the etiquette involved with charging.
2014 Leaf S

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