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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread : Current Count 1

Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:47 pm

LEAFer wrote:OTOH ... running the numbers again: Depending on the accuracy of the timing and the TED, a single minute with some round-off, plus some small losses over the cable/power-path could easily explain the 3.7/3.3 difference (your blog said 3.8).

0.4kw i.e. 11% in cable losses look unlikely.
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread : Delivery starts 1/1/11

Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:02 pm

Timaz wrote:I did not know the lease allowed 15K miles a year. That just got more interesting to me. Thanks for posting.

Ya that was known for awhile
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread : Delivery starts 1/1/11

Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:12 pm

omkar wrote:I ordered on 8/31. On 11/22, I received an email saying my vehicle is scheduled to arrive at my deal in January (is that what you meant by scheduled message)? My dashboard has been all over the place and now it says the week of Jan 5.

I ordered an SL with only the Quick Charge option - MSRP $35240. But, the car I got also had the Floor Mats added so the MSRP was $35410. I got it for $1k under MSRP: $34,410.

The interest rate was 4.9% (Money factor of ~.00204)

They first quoted me with a 12K/year lease and then I asked for the 15K/year. I think it ended up being an extra $10/month.

The paper I got from Greg of Rairdon had from Nissan corp only a 15,000 miles to help sell the LEAF lease it said. It also had a signature One rate of money factor of .0019 not sure how that adds up.
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread : Current Count 1

Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:24 pm

LEAFer wrote:
Boomer23 wrote:Regarding the Power Factor, I'm a complete novice there. Can you explain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor

But I have no way of estimating what the difference in real versus apparent power might be for an AV EVSE.

OTOH ... running the numbers again: Depending on the accuracy of the timing and the TED, a single minute with some round-off, plus some small losses over the cable/power-path could easily explain the 3.7/3.3 difference (your blog said 3.8).

As we gather more charging data with the LEAF ... we will learn what the "real" wall-to-wheels energy usage is. 3.8 versus 3.3 is a potentially significant increase when taken over many miles of charging.

When I got my solar installed my PV company install for free an Power factor corrector. Here is what it does from wiki.

An automatic power factor correction unit is used to improve power factor. A power factor correction unit usually consists of a number of capacitors that are switched by means of contactors. These contactors are controlled by a regulator that measures power factor in an electrical network. To be able to measure power factor, the regulator uses a current transformer to measure the current in one phase.
Depending on the load and power factor of the network, the power factor controller will switch the necessary blocks of capacitors in steps to make sure the power factor stays above a selected value (usually demanded by the energy supplier), say 0.9.
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread : Current Count 1

Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:22 pm

What do you attribute the difference in the posted $379 lease rate and your $409.61 payment? Is that solely your increase from 12k annual miles to 15k? You state you got $1k off MSRP, if the $379 is based on MSRP, shouldn't yours be less than that + only the miles premium Did you have a lot of accessories or did the dealer hit you with extra fees? Did they subtract your $99 reservation fee?

I understand that taxes is what brought it from $409 to $445, but I am just trying to follow what got you to $409.

Thanks.

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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread : Current Count 1

Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:23 pm

evnow wrote:
LEAFer wrote:OTOH ... running the numbers again: Depending on the accuracy of the timing and the TED, a single minute with some round-off, plus some small losses over the cable/power-path could easily explain the 3.7/3.3 difference (your blog said 3.8).

0.4kw i.e. 11% in cable losses look unlikely.


I took a closer look at the TED data. The timing looks like 34 minutes and the constant load was 3.74 kW during charging. That equals 2.12 kWh of usage, which the agrees with the TED total. I've corrected the numbers on the blog.
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread : Current Count 1

Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:33 pm

Boomer23 wrote:Okay, check out my blog for pictures of Omkar's visit with his great looking red LEAF, charging at L2 with my AV EVSE and some TED charging data.

I again have to emphasize that I don't want to steal Omkar's thunder. He is a very gracious guy and he seems to be happy to let someone else help him keep up with all of the questions.

I have a video of Omkar's LEAF in motion with VSP sounds, but my blog site is rejecting the video with a server error. So check back on the blog page later this evening. I may be able to get it uploaded by the end of this evening.

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Videos with VSP sounds have been added now.
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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread : Current Count 1

Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:52 pm

Boomer23 wrote:
evnow wrote:
LEAFer wrote:OTOH ... running the numbers again: Depending on the accuracy of the timing and the TED, a single minute with some round-off, plus some small losses over the cable/power-path could easily explain the 3.7/3.3 difference (your blog said 3.8).

0.4kw i.e. 11% in cable losses look unlikely.


I took a closer look at the TED data. The timing looks like 34 minutes and the constant load was 3.74 kW during charging. That equals 2.12 kWh of usage, which the agrees with the TED total. I've corrected the numbers on the blog.


Though likely a different situation since you are measuring in kW, I know with my Vectrix that it charges at a fixed wattage which results in the amperage varying based upon the voltage of the connected system (the speedometer becomes an ammeter during charging). As to why the TED is showing 3.74 instead of 3.3kW, perhaps this is due to some allowable variance in the charging system (+/- 10%) and/or perhaps it is a fixed amperage charger allowing the kW to flux up or down based upon the connected system voltage.

I suppose time and a plethora of more charging records will tell..

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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread : Current Count 1

Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:56 pm

Thanks Boomer.

Out here in Tier two, we haven't seen, nevertheless heard, a LEAF.

Except for the back-up beep, sounds just like the Tesla I have seen/heard,
up close... but maybe without some of the Zoom-Zoom. ;)

For the record, is the back-up beep inside the car, like the Prius, or outside?

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Re: The official "I got my Leaf" thread : Current Count 1

Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:02 pm

Boomer23 wrote:
Videos with VSP sounds have been added now.


Very nice Blog! Thanks for sharing!
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