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Re: Lizard Pack NOT Holding Up

Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:48 pm

Well this thread is thoroughly disappointing.

I had hoped that when I buy a new pack I'd get maybe 50% more out of it. Now it seems it's same old S&*t different battery; the purchase seems dubious.

Maybe I should just trade.

Hmmm.....
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Re: Lizard Pack NOT Holding Up

Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:06 am

JPWhite wrote:...
Maybe I should just trade.

Hmmm.....

You might try for the Better Business Bureau free replacement.

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Re: Lizard Pack NOT Holding Up

Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:06 am

TimLee wrote:
JPWhite wrote:...
Maybe I should just trade.

Hmmm.....

You might try for the Better Business Bureau free replacement.


Have folks been successful with that route?
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110,000 Miles.
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New Battery 12/3/16 (98,956)

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Re: Lizard Pack NOT Holding Up

Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:12 am

^^^^^

Two have been.
See viewtopic.php?f=27&t=19880&start=170#p456596.
Most recently Vlademar similar miles to you bit more capacity loss.

Someone else outside capacity warranty also got replacement after numerous complaints to Nissan.
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Re: Lizard Pack NOT Holding Up

Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:37 am

Has anybody ever witnessed a LEAF pack degrade to the bitter end? What's the most number of bars lost anyone has seen, and how many miles of range did it have left?

I'm wondering if capacity degrades to some point where it would be covered by the 8 year part of the warranty? What's the difference between a battery that has "failed" and one that has zero capacity remaining?
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Re: Lizard Pack NOT Holding Up

Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:59 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Has anybody ever witnessed a LEAF pack degrade to the bitter end? What's the most number of bars lost anyone has seen, and how many miles of range did it have left?

I'm wondering if capacity degrades to some point where it would be covered by the 8 year part of the warranty? What's the difference between a battery that has "failed" and one that has zero capacity remaining?

Not that I'm aware of. I think the worst I've heard of here on MNL is 5 capacity bars down. That person finally bit the bullet and got the battery replaced under capacity warranty.

Originally, I believe they wanted to go for 6 bars down.

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Re: Lizard Pack NOT Holding Up

Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:14 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Has anybody ever witnessed a LEAF pack degrade to the bitter end? What's the most number of bars lost anyone has seen, and how many miles of range did it have left?

I'm wondering if capacity degrades to some point where it would be covered by the 8 year part of the warranty? What's the difference between a battery that has "failed" and one that has zero capacity remaining?


I'm thinking eventually you'll not be able to accelerate fully at which point I think the defect warranty would kick in. There also maybe a point where the car starts throwing codes.

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Re: Lizard Pack NOT Holding Up

Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:05 pm

cwerdna wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:Has anybody ever witnessed a LEAF pack degrade to the bitter end? What's the most number of bars lost anyone has seen, and how many miles of range did it have left?

I'm wondering if capacity degrades to some point where it would be covered by the 8 year part of the warranty? What's the difference between a battery that has "failed" and one that has zero capacity remaining?

Not that I'm aware of. I think the worst I've heard of here on MNL is 5 capacity bars down. That person finally bit the bullet and got the battery replaced under capacity warranty.

Originally, I believe they wanted to go for 6 bars down.


The wiki has a 6 bar loser.

| #1
| Feb 2015
| hobbyguy
| Castaic - Santa Clarita, CA
| 69,000
| 51 months
| 11/2010
| 2011
| 0195
|
|
| '''I lost bar 4 at 62,000 miles and Nissan basically said tough luck'''. I have only 4 white and 2 red left now at 74,000 miles.

viewtopic.php?p=431453#p431453
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19223&p=429338#p429338

and other posts detail his journey.

I think he had less than 30 miles range on a full charge last time he posted but he does NOT use leafspy so he might be leaving some unused at the bottom of the pack.

That'd still be usable for me, I drive about 15 miles one way to work and can charge at both ends and I use leafspy so I wouldn't mind dipping into LBW or even VLBW on a worst case when it snows and I have to use the heater.
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Re: Lizard Pack NOT Holding Up

Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:34 pm

^^^
Wow. Thanks! I totally forgot about that guy and that I responded to him. :oops:

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Re: Lizard Pack NOT Holding Up

Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:46 pm

There is a noticeable acceleration of the capacity loss once you go down 3 bars, at least if you need to charge the pack 100% overnight and then again some to get home from work. I suspect if you just need 20-30 miles a day capacity loss will be more linear over time.
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