bolshevik36 wrote:So if im not mistaken the first 'lizards' were put in 2014's right?
No. Officially, they first showed up in '15 Leafs per viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17168
. There's been some speculation that some late '14s got it, but I know of no Nissan confirmation on this.
bolshevik36 wrote:If they are degrading the same as 2011's,
No. There's been some evidence to suggest that the pre-lizard batteries that began showing up in '13 Leafs maybe w/build months of 4/2013 are doing better in terms of degradation than anything before it. (Someone please correct me if I'm off a month.) Presumably, everything from that month forward is the same until the "lizard" batteries.
How much better the lizard batteries are doing than the above, if any, is unclear (in my book) at the moment.
bolshevik36 wrote:then I gotta ask, what are 2011's clocking in range wise today?
Poor question. One's range until dead depends on both remaining usable capacity and one's driving efficiency in miles/kWh. And lower temps throw this off, as well due to a # of factors (e.g. temporarily reduced capacity in cold, having to run the heater in the cold, reduced driving efficiency in snow, slush or rain, etc.)
Someone throwing out a # about their "range" is useless because we don't know their efficiency and know nothing about their remaining capacity. And, we don't know how low they're going before they call it quits.
Let's put it another way, if you asked a bunch of guys with '10 Corvette (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do? ... s&id=28529
) rated 15 mpg city/25 mpg highway w/18 gallon tanks their "range" and you had cases like these, how useful do you think their range numbers would be?
guy A) short city drives, esp in the cold w/lots of stop and go so he only achieves say 12 mpg AND he calls it quits when down to 1/4 tank
guy B) w/almost all long highway driving but keeps it below 60 mph so he probably achieves 28+ mpg and he fills up when the fuel warning light turns on
When people complain about "poor" or significantly worse range, people need to answer questions like viewtopic.php?p=275421#p275421
for us to help them.