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Re: Nissan Battery Replacement Program, Cost

Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:42 am

JPWhite wrote:I got an itemized list of parts and installation fees/taxes etc.

See https://jpwhitenissanleaf.com/2016/07/15/6000-to-replace-worn-battery-nissan-say-100000-miles-for-an-electric-vehicle-is-phenomenal/

It's not an easy decision. Interesting others are being coached into a finance deal on the new battery. I was asked by customer relations rep if I wanted to be transferred to the dealer and that I should ask for the finance manager. Maybe Nissan thinks we don't have the money.

I can find $6,000 myself, that not the issue, the issue is, is it worth it?

A friend at church just had an experience with an older car that reinforces my trepidation at sinking $6,000 into a car that is worth at most $7,000. He had an old junker, put new struts, four new tires, alignment and sundry other items into an old Malibu. Paid $1,600 for it all on Wednesday and on Friday was hit from behind, pushed into a trailer hitch in front and the car is totalled. He just lost $1,600 having the benefit of his expenditure for less than 48 hours.

Putting $6,000 into a car that barely worth that much if totalled is rolling the dice so to speak.

I'm going to keep QC'ing my old LEAF to and from work until it hits 100,000 miles (about 4 months away) on the miniscule chance that the battery may fail and be covered under the warranty after all. Once I hit 100,000 miles I am left holding the baby for sure with no hope of assistance from Nissan, that's when I decide what to do. My workplace moves closer to home in October and they appear to be accommodating EV's. I might just be able to keep it going on the old battery until the Bolt comes to Tennessee, which I guess will be spring next year.

Add to all this that there are rumors Nissan may selling their battery operations http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nissan-battery-stakesale-idUSKCN10H05J old batteries may not be available for the original LEAF's much longer.

2011/12 customers have been abandoned by Nissan, next Nissan may abandon the 2011/12 cars altogether. They are hardly going to retrofit an LG pack or whatever into a 2011/12 Leaf.

Welcome to the era of the disposable ($33,160) car.


you need to check with your insurance company on that. Mine has the option for you to list any recent improvements and expenditures. now how they treat the battery replacement is anyone's guess. if they are progressive, they will understand the increase in value. if they are not... well then, its not like you don't have options
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Re: Nissan Battery Replacement Program, Cost

Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:29 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
you need to check with your insurance company on that. Mine has the option for you to list any recent improvements and expenditures. now how they treat the battery replacement is anyone's guess. if they are progressive, they will understand the increase in value. if they are not... well then, its not like you don't have options


An insurance company will not pay over top dollar for any car regardless of what repairs you have made (it's not like I'm adding a sound system).

Edmunds.com values my car in 'outstanding condition' as $7,816 dealer retail price. That's as much as I'm likely to get. Average condition which is a reasonable assessment with a weak battery it retails at $5,460.

If I'm a good negotiator I could get $2,400 more from insurance if I'm unfortunate enough to have it totalled shortly after replacing the battery.

Trade-in value in average condition is $3,455.

Another factor to consider is that after spending $6,000 on a new battery, say the inverter or motor takes a dump. I'm out of drivetrain warranty in 4 months I'd be motivated to spend another sizable chunk of money to preserve my $6,000 investment.

I was also hopeful that a price drop in replacement batteries might come about given the manufacturing cost reductions, if they are going to sell their battery plants, old battery replacements won't come cheap anytime soon. I get the feeling Nissan are cutting their loses in the US with the LEAF , not marketing the car much and focusing on Europe and Asia where the car is doing better.
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Re: Nissan Battery Replacement Program, Cost

Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:43 am

JPWhite wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
you need to check with your insurance company on that. Mine has the option for you to list any recent improvements and expenditures. now how they treat the battery replacement is anyone's guess. if they are progressive, they will understand the increase in value. if they are not... well then, its not like you don't have options


An insurance company will not pay over top dollar for any car regardless of what repairs you have made (it's not like I'm adding a sound system).

Edmunds.com values my car in 'outstanding condition' as $7,816 dealer retail price. That's as much as I'm likely to get. Average condition which is a reasonable assessment with a weak battery it retails at $5,460.

If I'm a good negotiator I could get $2,400 more from insurance if I'm unfortunate enough to have it totalled shortly after replacing the battery.

Trade-in value in average condition is $3,455.

Another factor to consider is that after spending $6,000 on a new battery, say the inverter or motor takes a dump. I'm out of drivetrain warranty in 4 months I'd be motivated to spend another sizable chunk of money to preserve my $6,000 investment.

I was also hopeful that a price drop in replacement batteries might come about given the manufacturing cost reductions, if they are going to sell their battery plants, old battery replacements won't come cheap anytime soon. I get the feeling Nissan are cutting their loses in the US with the LEAF , not marketing the car much and focusing on Europe and Asia where the car is doing better.


when my car was totaled I had the option to list any recent improvements (I didn't) so who knows? but the concerns you list are present in EVERY used car so lets not make this EV specific
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Re: Nissan Battery Replacement Program, Cost

Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:12 am


It looks like there is no core charge listed on that estimate.

Did you ask if you could keep your OE pack, and at what cost, if any?

="JPWhite"

...Welcome to the era of the disposable ($33,160) car

Did you actuality pay anywhere near that price, net incentives?

I only paid ~$20k for my 2011, net (+~$1k more in phantom sales tax).

And I expect to recoup a significant chunk of $ when I sell it, whatever number of capacity bars are shown on the dash...
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Re: Nissan Battery Replacement Program, Cost

Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:25 pm

Yeah, $6k is just about impossible to justify on a car that's only worth $6k. How many more years might one expect to get out of the car with a new battery? Personally, I'd have a hard time justifying more than $3k - $4k max.

An alternative route that might get you in for less is to find a car that either just had it's battery replaced, has already lost 4 bars, or has lost fewer bars but still has enough time on the warranty to get you to battery replacement.

If you can sell your LEAF for $6k and buy the other LEAF for $9-10k, then you can get a slightly newer LEAF and hopefully a new battery for half the cost.
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Re: Nissan Battery Replacement Program, Cost

Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:19 pm

edatoakrun wrote:It looks like there is no core charge listed on that estimate.

Did you ask if you could keep your OE pack, and at what cost, if any?



seriously?
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Re: Nissan Battery Replacement Program, Cost

Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:12 pm

JPWhite wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
you need to check with your insurance company on that. Mine has the option for you to list any recent improvements and expenditures. now how they treat the battery replacement is anyone's guess. if they are progressive, they will understand the increase in value. if they are not... well then, its not like you don't have options


An insurance company will not pay over top dollar for any car regardless of what repairs you have made (it's not like I'm adding a sound system).

Edmunds.com values my car in 'outstanding condition' as $7,816 dealer retail price. That's as much as I'm likely to get. Average condition which is a reasonable assessment with a weak battery it retails at $5,460.

If I'm a good negotiator I could get $2,400 more from insurance if I'm unfortunate enough to have it totalled shortly after replacing the battery.

Trade-in value in average condition is $3,455.

Another factor to consider is that after spending $6,000 on a new battery, say the inverter or motor takes a dump. I'm out of drivetrain warranty in 4 months I'd be motivated to spend another sizable chunk of money to preserve my $6,000 investment.

I was also hopeful that a price drop in replacement batteries might come about given the manufacturing cost reductions, if they are going to sell their battery plants, old battery replacements won't come cheap anytime soon. I get the feeling Nissan are cutting their loses in the US with the LEAF , not marketing the car much and focusing on Europe and Asia where the car is doing better.

If insurance is really a concern, you could get a stated value policy, like a lot of collector type vehicles. As stated, these types of concerns are not EV specific. For example, a new tranny for an ICE can easily be $3-5k to have installed, etc...
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Re: Nissan Battery Replacement Program, Cost

Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:54 am

You may be able to save 15% off that battery replacement, up to a max of $500...

http://www.costcoauto.com/parts_and_ser ... fault.aspx

Costco works with local dealers of all types of cars to offer a 15% discount on parts and service. Go to the page above and type in your zip code and fill out the page to indicate you own a Nissan LEAF. They'll identify a local Nissan dealer who is participating in the program for 15% off parts and service ($500 max).

Hopefully, it'll be a close-by dealer that you might have used anyways...It works for other types of service and other brands of cars as well...

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Re: Nissan Battery Replacement Program, Cost

Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:15 am

Randy wrote:You may be able to save 15% off that battery replacement, up to a max of $500...

http://www.costcoauto.com/parts_and_ser ... fault.aspx

Costco works with local dealers of all types of cars to offer a 15% discount on parts and service. Go to the page above and type in your zip code and fill out the page to indicate you own a Nissan LEAF. They'll identify a local Nissan dealer who is participating in the program for 15% off parts and service ($500 max).

Hopefully, it'll be a close-by dealer that you might have used anyways...It works for other types of service and other brands of cars as well...

Randy

I just printed the coupon for my dealer but notice it expires in about 3 weeks. I wonder if it's a one shot deal or if I can print another a few months from now.

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Re: Nissan Battery Replacement Program, Cost

Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:12 pm

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