coach81
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Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:13 pm

2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid is dead (electric issue, battery keeps dying).. have to get rid of it..

1. Nissan Altima '16 - $4500 off.. can get one if I can sucker them into top dollar for my FFH'13 for as little as 2-3K.
2. Nissan Rogue '16 - pretty much same deal.. for maybe a grand or two more..

3. Nissan Leaf'16 SV???? Was going to offer 27K then ask for 6K off, then get my trade in which would make the cost below 10K before the state tax break... but...

with the Bolt, M3, and recently announced '17 Possibly "redesigned" Leaf... why would anyone buy a new leaf???

Thanks in advance for your suggestions, etc....
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:15 pm

Anyone who wants a BEV and needs no more than a 90 mile range (after 5 years, a bit more now) should consider a discounted Leaf SV or SL. Not everyone needs more range.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:28 pm

coach81 wrote: 3. Nissan Leaf'16 SV???? Was going to offer 27K then ask for 6K off, then get my trade in which would make the cost below 10K before the state tax break... but...
You think you can achieve that? That's way below http://driveoregon.org/eugeneev/.

But yeah, buying a new Leaf at this point seems a bit crazy. Lease? Maybe.

Maybe consider a used one if it will meet your needs? Resale value of Leafs is still pretty lousy. I pointed to my used '13 Leaf SV w/premium buying saga (over a year ago) near the end of http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... ga#p472319.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:49 pm

Agreed. Buying a new vehicle makes little economic sense to begin with; but a new Leaf right now? Madness. Used? Sure.

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:52 pm

coach81 wrote:2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid is dead (electric issue, battery keeps dying).. have to get rid of it
Nobody at Ford can figure out how to fix a 4-year-old FFH?
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:30 pm

Why would anyone buy a LEAF?

40kWh LEAF is a month or two away from nationwide availability, and even then, it might not be a Gen 2 body (but who knows). Bolt is likely 6 months away from nationwide availability. Model 3 is at least 18 months away from nationwide availability. If you can wait 2 months, do it and see what Nissan has to offer for 2017. But if you need a car now, what other options do you have that can go 100+ miles and doesn't cost as much as a small house? BMW i3? That's about it.

Dealers are offering up to $7500 contribution in addition to NMAC offering $4000 (purchase) or $10000 (lease). If GM follows the course of the Volt, you're looking at $3200 CCR nationwide and maybe $6400 CCR if you are in a CARB state. So run the comparison:

LEAF: $34200 -$7500 dealer -$4000 nmac -$7500 federal tax credit = $15200
vs
BOLT: $37500 -$7500 federal tax credit = $30000

$14,800 more for the Bolt.

You could buy a CPO Volt AND a brand new LEAF for the price of a new Bolt, which isn't even available yet and probably won't reach nationwide availability until spring of 2017. So the better question is, if you needed an EV/PHEV now, what cheaper option is there than a LEAF?

I'm asking myself that question, and I'm consistently brought back to one answer: Used Volt. Second-gen used Volt pricing is a few months away from being stabilized, so that car is ruled out for now. First-gen Volts are cheap and plentiful. Low mileage 2013 CPOs start at around $13,000. So maybe the plan is to buy a used Volt, drive it for 18 months, then get a new Model 3?

I'm in the same boat. My gas car is on the fritz. It might last long enough for a 40kWh LEAF, but if it doesn't and I need a car, I'm probably picking up a used Volt.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:47 pm

kubel wrote:So the better question is, if you needed an EV/PHEV now, what cheaper option is there than a LEAF?
Fortunately, since I'm in CA, we have many more EV/PHEV choices than most other states. See http://insideevs.com/compare-plug-ins/. Almost everything on the list is still available. One can get better idea via http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ and http://www.hybridcars.com/september-2016-dashboard/.

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:16 pm

Even in California, there's no car cheaper than the LEAF that can do 100+ miles. The Kia Soul EV comes close I guess.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:56 pm

So far the best choice on a LEAF has been to lease. May change someday but not yet.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:34 pm

An off lease 2014/2015 with around 15,000 miles on it and a solid 12 bars for less than $9,000 is where I ended up. As dealers get more scared of getting stuck with the 24 kWh and 30 kWh cars when the 2017 is released the incentive pricing on a new one could come pretty close to that of a low mileage former lease vehicle. If your like me and live about 12 miles from work traveling 30 to 45 mph roads with stop lights and such then buying a heavily discounted Leaf right now makes very good sense.

I am 6 foot tall and have short legs so I sit tall in the seat therefore I find the Volt a bit harder to get in and out of plus I have to stay back a bit from the stop line in order to see the lights change while I have no issues having to duck to squeeze under the door openings to get in nor do I have to slouch or stay back from the stop line in order to see the lights change driving the Leaf. Parked side by side at work the Leaf looks like a small van or SUV compared to the lower Volt. With the charge port on the side, the Volt owners at work have to drape the Charge Point cable over their hoods and left front fender in order to charge it which is already showing up as wear in the clear coat on some. The Leaf with the charge ports up front has no issues with having to drag the charging cable across the hood or fender before you can plug it in at a public charging station.

If your short from the waist and don't have to use public charging stations with the cord hanging in the middle of the hood then you may get by with the Volt however for many these two issues take the Volt out of the running for people with my build and charging situation.

You really need to pay attention to these two issues when considering the Volt. They may not seem like much at first but after a while putting up with them they can get very irritating.

I had one salesman tell me it was because I had the seat adjusted wrong so he almost fully reclined the seat and then slid it forward so my arms were not stretched strait out while driving and told me how much better that was however I am not a big fan if driving in an almost sleeping position with my chin on my chest and my legs wrapped somewhat around the steering wheel. Now he explained all you have to do is slide the seat back in order to get out. I walked out and never looked back.

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