Flyct
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:13 pm

valem wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:22 pm
I haven't found a newer post with a similar title so I am resurrecting this one...
This question (which is beyond me) has been bugging my mind, and I have to ask ...

Why oh why on this flat ass Earth, would anyone (in their right ass mind) buy a (top of the line) Leaf SL rather than a baseline T Model 3.

Really... why? I must now.
I can afford either car and I bought a 2019Leaf SL Plus rather than the Tesla Model 3. I’m on my 3rd Leaf. Test drove the M3 and I was not impressed with the driver User Interface. It was too clunky and foreign. The Leaf interface is familiar. Try turning on wipers on the Tesla. You just use the big center mounted computer screen.

1- I fit in the Leaf much better. I had trouble getting in and out of the Model 3.
2- The Leaf is easier to maneuver and park in parking lots
3- Currently Leaf still has the full $7,500 Federal Tax Credit vs $1,875 for Tesla.
4- dealer competition enables discounting Leaf and no discounting on Tesla.
5- The Leaf is much more “nimble”
6- the M3 I test drove had poor fitting body panels, water in the tail lights. Lousy fit and finish.
7- if you want anything other than Black in a Tesla there’s a $1500-$2000 surcharge
8- I DON’T TRUST THAT TESLA WILL BE AROUND IN 3 years.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:51 pm

We loved all our test drives in the model 3. Great drivers car. But the Leaf SL Eplus is a better fit for us. The model 3 has some pretty cool advantages but the Leaf Eplus SL has some as well.

Nissan over Tesla.

- Hatchback
- Easier ingress and egress. (Sits higher)
- Heated steering wheel for sore 56 year old hands
- Homelink standard. (Not really important for us but nice)
- Heat pump so less energy use in mildly cold temps...like where we live in BC.
- E-Pedal. (One of our favourite things about the Leaf.
- all around 360 view camera display
- pretty much no vampire drain. Important for us as we leave the country for a month or more at a time without being able to plug in.
- rear cross traffic alert avoidance system.
- much quieter than the model 3.

For us brand loyalty also plays a little role. After almost 4 years our leaf has been bulletproof. Screwed together pretty good.

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:45 pm

The SL Plus is still cheaper after discounts then the SR+. Whether you think it is better or worse is a matter of taste.

SLPlus after federal discount (ignoring state programs and state taxes) can be had for 33k (sometimes less). SR+ is hard to get into for under 40K. I wouldn’t say the SR is comparable.

Even if it’s legacy, repairs are much easier to get in many parts of the US, insurance is cheaper, repairs cheaper and has held high ground on consumer reports reliability.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:00 am

valem wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:22 pm
I haven't found a newer post with a similar title so I am resurrecting this one...
This question (which is beyond me) has been bugging my mind, and I have to ask ...

Why oh why on this flat ass Earth, would anyone (in their right ass mind) buy a (top of the line) Leaf SL rather than a baseline T Model 3.

Really... why? I must now.
Price. LEAFs are simply cheaper to buy PERIOD. We can discuss MSRP but other than Tesla, that doesn't apply to any other EV. There are also incentives at the state and local levels that frequently exclude Teslas.

FYI; I wouldn't get an SL simply because it adds things I am unwilling to pay for.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:20 am

valem wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:45 pm
... and my new (babied as shit) lizard battery replaced 2 years ago, is already down to 89% SOH 11% in 2 years ... wow ... and yes, I can tell by the range, I am keeping a very close record, and will share here soon
Certainly not doubting your observation. Trying to understand the common factors behind your experience. Can you elaborate as to location, charging habits, driving usage cycle, etc...? It would help put this complaint into context.
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valem
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:06 pm

All very interesting and valid points.
I wanted to point out that I'm comparing the SL because IMO any Tesla surpasses any car's top of the line by a long shot. But that's just my opinion, I can see how some prefer the look and feel of what they're already familiar with.
True that the LEAF still has the full $7500 tax credit, and TBH there's a reason Tesla passed the 200k mark a year ago, and Nissan will pass that mark in another year or two. So that kind of already kills my comparison... right there... lol

But personally I would rather a used a used Model S for around 40k rather than a new M3 ...

I've been driving in Central FL, as was the previous owner that got the battery replaced.

I will post every single charge and discharge cycle; yes, I am noting down all Leafspy data and dash data every time I charge...
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:20 pm

Flyct wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:13 pm
valem wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:22 pm

8- I DON’T TRUST THAT TESLA WILL BE AROUND IN 3 years.
Disclaimer: The following is simply my opinion and my belief...

Tesla (the company) has way too much value and assets to not be around in 3 years. If the market cap drops too much it will be bought. It owns way too much to just go away. I don't need to get into details here.

But most importantly (again only based on my opinion and belief) you better hope that Tesla sticks around if you like driving EVs.
Not a single auto maker cares for or wants to make and sell EVs. Neither do dealerships. Tesla is creating the competition in the EV world because other automakers want a piece of the EV pie.
Remove Tesla, and there's no reason any auto manufacturer would continue competing against themselves.
All existing car companies are combustion engine companies, they don't make any money selling EVs when they have to buy all the drive-train components from other companies
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:31 pm

valem wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:20 pm
8- I DON’T TRUST THAT TESLA WILL BE AROUND IN 3 years.
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Disclaimer: The following is simply my opinion and my belief...

Tesla (the company) has way too much value and assets to not be around in 3 years. If the market cap drops too much it will be bought. It owns way too much to just go away. I don't need to get into details here.

But most importantly (again only based on my opinion and belief) you better hope that Tesla sticks around if you like driving EVs.
Not a single auto maker cares for or wants to make and sell EVs. Neither do dealerships. Tesla is creating the competition in the EV world because other automakers want a piece of the EV pie.
Remove Tesla, and there's no reason any auto manufacturer would continue competing against themselves.
All existing car companies are combustion engine companies, they don't make any money selling EVs when they have to buy all the drive-train components from other companies
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You could not be more correct. The LEAF exists only because Nissan backs it and uses the credits. Tesla will not go away and if they do so do all EVs.

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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:02 am

Tesla has made, and currently makes, superior electric cars compared to Nissan. Anyone who cannot acknowledge that is either uninformed or stubbornly stuck to the Nissan Brand. Tesla is not going out of business and to say it is, is grasping at straws. One could also say that Nissan will stop producing electric cars as well... Might as well just say you are a Nissan fanatic or fan boy. Nothing wrong with that really. Just admit that, no matter what, you will choose Nissan. No need to rationalize then. :)
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:10 am

Tesla has made, and currently makes, superior electric cars compared to Nissan. Anyone who cannot acknowledge that is either uninformed or stubbornly stuck to the Nissan Brand


Tesla makes cars that have superior performance to the Leaf. That is unquestioned. Tesla does not, however, make a car that is in the same price range as the Leaf and is also as comfortable. They do not make a car in the same price range (and possibly not at all) that is as disability-friendly and older-driver-friendly as the Leaf, either. Maybe in the future Tesla will make a car that is affordable, has easy entry and exit, and a heated steering wheel. (Windows that don't seal the doors closed in frigid weather would also be helpful.) Until then, the Model 3 and the Leaf are apples and oranges, and some people just prefer apples, while others prefer oranges. Until Tesla fa, er, aficionados stop trying to force-feed orange lovers applesauce, we will continue to regard you with some skepticism and wariness.
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