ElectricEddy
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Re: 30kwh battery, warranty and capacity bar questions I cannot find elsewhere....

Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:01 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
ElectricEddy wrote:
I am using the same charging pattern I used on my '13
When cold, 83% may sit for 48 hours, 100% once a week to balance.
When temps rise, 83% max charge , 100% every 2 weeks to balance.
I do not let the car sit for more than an hour max after full charge then reduce to at least 83%.

The 13 was at 19.4 Kwh when I traded it in on Oct 31, the 16 I now drive is holding at 27.4 Kwh.

I use the defroster and heat to reduce energy if needed to that 83% level on a short spin after charging to 100%.

Once I re-apply the window visors and the temp increases that short spin might become a little longer.

Yes I agree its nice to have good range again although I do tend to do the speed limit + 2Kms


you are degrading your pack for no reason. there is no need to charge to 100% once a week. unless you plan to drive at least 40-50 miles, you shouldn't be doing it.

I do drive 40-50 miles just not on a regular basis and charge to %100 to balance the pack
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 30kwh battery, warranty and capacity bar questions I cannot find elsewhere....

Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:39 am

ElectricEddy wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
ElectricEddy wrote:
I am using the same charging pattern I used on my '13
When cold, 83% may sit for 48 hours, 100% once a week to balance.
When temps rise, 83% max charge , 100% every 2 weeks to balance.
I do not let the car sit for more than an hour max after full charge then reduce to at least 83%.

The 13 was at 19.4 Kwh when I traded it in on Oct 31, the 16 I now drive is holding at 27.4 Kwh.

I use the defroster and heat to reduce energy if needed to that 83% level on a short spin after charging to 100%.

Once I re-apply the window visors and the temp increases that short spin might become a little longer.

Yes I agree its nice to have good range again although I do tend to do the speed limit + 2Kms


you are degrading your pack for no reason. there is no need to charge to 100% once a week. unless you plan to drive at least 40-50 miles, you shouldn't be doing it.

I do drive 40-50 miles just not on a regular basis and charge to %100 to balance the pack


well then I strongly suggest you only charge to full just before your 50 mile trips then
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Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 30kwh battery, warranty and capacity bar questions I cannot find elsewhere....

Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:42 pm

I have a 2016 S30. I've ordered an OBDII dongle and already have leaf-spy installed. Short of actually killing the battery, is there any info that I can provide to help answer the OP's question? I'm curious about that detail as well.
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6 Sep 2017 - 13k miles & 359 GIDs]

jbuntz
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Re: 30kwh battery, warranty and capacity bar questions I cannot find elsewhere....

Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:26 pm

I think I can tell you what not to do to keep your 30kwh battery healthy.

I bought a 2016 SL last 12/2016 that was built in 11/2015. Almost as soon as I drove it home I was wondering about battery capacity. A week later I got leaf spy and it showed AHr=68.93, SOH=86% Hx=83.96% 2QCs & 27 L1/L2

I know it sat on a lot in Texas for a year and I bet they charged it to 100% after every test drive.

As of today it has recovered a little AHr=71.21 SOH=89% Hx=86.18%. The best I have seen on a full charge is 25.7kWh.

I did not know at the time, but I highly suggest on even a new Leaf to take LeafSpy with you to the dealer and check the battery before you sign. Neither NissanUSA or Town North in Austin have done anything to make it right.
Mfg 11/15 Del 12/16 New Braunfels, TX 2016 SL 30kWh,

30 Apr 2017 5175 miles. 324 GIDs, Ahr 70.75, SOH 89%, Hx; 85.31% kwh 25.1

11 Aug 2017 lost 1 bar 9245 miles. 282 GIDs, Ahr 61.68 SOH 77%, Hx; 75.83% kwh 21.9

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Re: 30kwh battery, warranty and capacity bar questions I cannot find elsewhere....

Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:12 am

jbuntz wrote:I think I can tell you what not to do to keep your 30kwh battery healthy.

I bought a 2016 SL last 12/2016 that was built in 11/2015. Almost as soon as I drove it home I was wondering about battery capacity. A week later I got leaf spy and it showed AHr=68.93, SOH=86% Hx=83.96% 2QCs & 27 L1/L2

I know it sat on a lot in Texas for a year and I bet they charged it to 100% after every test drive.

As of today it has recovered a little AHr=71.21 SOH=89% Hx=86.18%. The best I have seen on a full charge is 25.7kWh.

That sucks but I wouldn't bother w/the Leaf Spy kWh values. I bet what you're looking at is just based off of # of gids * (whatever the Wh/gids setting is set to). The default for that is 77.5, IIRC.

I posted about this at viewtopic.php?p=476092#p476092.

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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 30kwh battery, warranty and capacity bar questions I cannot find elsewhere....

Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:20 am

cwerdna wrote:
jbuntz wrote:I think I can tell you what not to do to keep your 30kwh battery healthy.

I bought a 2016 SL last 12/2016 that was built in 11/2015. Almost as soon as I drove it home I was wondering about battery capacity. A week later I got leaf spy and it showed AHr=68.93, SOH=86% Hx=83.96% 2QCs & 27 L1/L2

I know it sat on a lot in Texas for a year and I bet they charged it to 100% after every test drive.

As of today it has recovered a little AHr=71.21 SOH=89% Hx=86.18%. The best I have seen on a full charge is 25.7kWh.

That sucks but I wouldn't bother w/the Leaf Spy kWh values. I bet what you're looking at is just based off of # of gids * (whatever the Wh/gids setting is set to). The default for that is 77.5, IIRC.

I posted about this at viewtopic.php?p=476092#p476092.


so what should it be? 75?
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jbuntz
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Re: 30kwh battery, warranty and capacity bar questions I cannot find elsewhere....

Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:42 am

The other day I charged from turtle to 100% and it took 31kWh as reported on my cheap ammeter. I am thinking that it is not more than 85% efficient from the wall to the battery so that would be 26.35kWh. Not too far off from LeafSpy reporting 25.7kWh @ 80W/GID
Mfg 11/15 Del 12/16 New Braunfels, TX 2016 SL 30kWh,

30 Apr 2017 5175 miles. 324 GIDs, Ahr 70.75, SOH 89%, Hx; 85.31% kwh 25.1

11 Aug 2017 lost 1 bar 9245 miles. 282 GIDs, Ahr 61.68 SOH 77%, Hx; 75.83% kwh 21.9

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 30kwh battery, warranty and capacity bar questions I cannot find elsewhere....

Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:03 am

jbuntz wrote:The other day I charged from turtle to 100% and it took 31kWh as reported on my cheap ammeter. I am thinking that it is not more than 85% efficient from the wall to the battery so that would be 26.35kWh. Not too far off from LeafSpy reporting 25.7kWh @ 80W/GID


sounds like 120
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jbuntz
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Re: 30kwh battery, warranty and capacity bar questions I cannot find elsewhere....

Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:40 am

6.6kW charger
Mfg 11/15 Del 12/16 New Braunfels, TX 2016 SL 30kWh,

30 Apr 2017 5175 miles. 324 GIDs, Ahr 70.75, SOH 89%, Hx; 85.31% kwh 25.1

11 Aug 2017 lost 1 bar 9245 miles. 282 GIDs, Ahr 61.68 SOH 77%, Hx; 75.83% kwh 21.9

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 30kwh battery, warranty and capacity bar questions I cannot find elsewhere....

Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:46 am

jbuntz wrote:6.6kW charger


ok, you started about as close to zero as you can get. efficiency wall to wheels is closer to 87% so wall to battery is more like 90-91%
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