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Future of Leafs in Jordan

Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:08 pm

Hello,

I am from Jordan, a country in the middle east, our climate is moderate most of the year, but in July/Aug it gets hot, sometimes over 40 degrees celsius.

1 year ago the government exempted EVs from customs which allowed us to buy EVs at a very low price compared to other cars and since then we have noticed an influx of EVs in the market, vast majority of which are Nissan Leafs, all of them are 2011-2015, nothing newer.

Nissan agency in Jordan does not sell Leafs yet, all the cars are used and imported from the states.

So far the only means of getting your battery replaced is to install a used battery taken from a salvaged car, there is absolutely no means of acquiring a new pack and we don't expect the agency in Jordan to provide new packs for a reasonable price anytime soon.

So my question is, what do we expect to happen in a few years time, let's assume in year 2020 when the majority of the packs in these cars will need replacement, if we are to continue to rely on used batteries taken from 2015-2016 salvaged cars those used batteries will be heavily degraded as well.

Do you guys think that by 2020 there will be commercial battery packs that we can buy and replace, or do you think Nissan will start selling battery packs that are compatible with these older 24kWh EVs? I mean selling the packs separately without replacing them at Nissan dealerships.

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Re: Future of Leafs in Jordan

Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:32 am

we don't know what will happen in the US, we certainly don't know what will happen in the middle east..

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Re: Future of Leafs in Jordan

Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:31 am

Frankly, i dont think there would be a problem. State of Israel (sorry to mention) has a lot of EV's there and there doesnt seem to be a problem. I've got friends driving Leaf's in Tehran and one in Damascus (imported after the start of war) - no problems completely. So if Leaf (2015) can survive Tehran heat - it can survive everything :D

I would be more concerned about charging stations there...
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xenastro
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Re: Future of Leafs in Jordan

Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:46 am

Thank you for your response.

Charging stations problem should be soon resolved, we already have a few of them and the local community is very helpful in sharing their own home charging stations on PlugShare.

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Re: Future of Leafs in Jordan

Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:59 pm

Then go for it ;) Just choose 2013+ model, or better yet - 2015+.
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Re: Future of Leafs in Jordan

Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:33 pm

Well this explains why 50% of the calls, emails and facebook marketplace leads we've received so far are from Jordan or from someone who wants to export a car to Jordan. Unfortunately we are not set up to deal with export at all, but we may need to adapt in order to move some LEAF inventory out of the CarPortal warehouse.

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Re: Future of Leafs in Jordan

Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:12 pm

Then go for it ;) Just choose 2013+ model, or better yet - 2015+.


We need to narrow that a bit. Packs made between April of 2013 and all of 2015 are fine, with the 2015 packs being best because of better chemistry. Leafs made before April of 2013 will have much worse degradation in heat because of worse chemistry, and 2016 & 2017 Leafs will also have bad degradation, sadly. Your best bet for your climate is the 2015 pack, and that will still degrade in heat.
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Re: Future of Leafs in Jordan

Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:22 pm

In high-heat environments, to preserve range it's best to import an EV that uses active liquid cooling for the battery. So no Leaf (no cooling at all), no Kia Soul EV (uses cabin air), and no VW eGolf, at least the North American-spec version (not sure if the EU-spec has liquid cooling).

I believe the Mitsubishi iMiEV, Chevy Spark EV, and Ford Focus Electric all have liquid cooling for their batteries. If you can swing the acquisition cost, so do the Tesla models, but the most affordable one (the Model 3) was just released to the public and there's a months-long if not years-long waiting list depending on the specification you want.
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Re: Future of Leafs in Jordan

Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:15 pm

RonDawg wrote:In high-heat environments, to preserve range it's best to import an EV that uses active liquid cooling for the battery. So no Leaf (no cooling at all), no Kia Soul EV (uses cabin air), and no VW eGolf, at least the North American-spec version (not sure if the EU-spec has liquid cooling).

I believe the Mitsubishi iMiEV, Chevy Spark EV, and Ford Focus Electric all have liquid cooling for their batteries. If you can swing the acquisition cost, so do the Tesla models, but the most affordable one (the Model 3) was just released to the public and there's a months-long if not years-long waiting list depending on the specification you want.


I agree, but I think the problem is the availability and pricing of other EVs in the region.
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Re: Future of Leafs in Jordan

Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:38 pm

Ford Focus batteries fare little or no better in Phoenix heat than LEAFs. LEAFs are probably best bet for parts availability worldwide.
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