eatsleafsandshoots
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Location: Denver, CO

Project: Destroy my Battery

Wed May 24, 2017 4:35 pm

I just got a '17 S at a great price, and one the main reasons I did was because of the great warranty on the 30kWh packs.

From what I understand, these packs aren't really degrading any less fast than the old packs, though some '17s seem to be holding up better than '16s. And since they've got a great warranty anyways... why not just try to beat the **** out of this thing and see if I can get a new battery before my 8 years is up? Or two? I L2 regularly and live in a high elevation environment, so I put a bit of stress on the thing.

Any downsides to my plan? I used to have a '13 SV that I babied, but why bother when the warranty is the way it is now?

LeftieBiker
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Location: Upstate New York, US

Re: Project: Destroy my Battery

Wed May 24, 2017 4:42 pm

You're basically giving the people who complain about 'battery destroyers' someone to point at. It's one thing to give a push to a pack that's already failing, but to buy a car with that intention seems less than ethical. There are plenty of worse things to do, of course...
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

The most offensive, tasteless phrase in use here is "Pulled the trigger." I no longer respond to posts that use it.

eatsleafsandshoots
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Re: Project: Destroy my Battery

Wed May 24, 2017 4:45 pm

I don't mean to imply I'm going to intentionally damage it! I just want to drive it constantly - I love to drive, and I live awhile aways from work so I can put SERIOUS mileage on with QC at work and L2 at home.

LeftieBiker
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Re: Project: Destroy my Battery

Wed May 24, 2017 4:45 pm

eatsleafsandshoots wrote:I don't mean to imply I'm going to intentionally damage it! I just want to drive it constantly - I love to drive, and I live awhile aways from work so I can put SERIOUS mileage on with QC at work and L2 at home.


In that case you may want to edit the title. ;-)
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

The most offensive, tasteless phrase in use here is "Pulled the trigger." I no longer respond to posts that use it.

SageBrush
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Delivery Date: 13 Feb 2017
Location: Colorado

Re: Project: Destroy my Battery

Wed May 24, 2017 6:12 pm

One obvious downside to your plan is that you will have to live with a degraded battery until it reaches the replacement threshold.
And you always risk warranty expiration before the battery is 'ready' for replacement.

It seems clear that Nissan engineers these packs to last until the warranty expires for most owners.
Unless you live in a hot climate, you are gambling.
Frequent QC may put you outside the owner group that Nissan thinks they have covered, but I don't know that with any confidence.

Fwiw, I personally would not act in the way you suggest.
Drive the car
Enjoy the car
Do not abuse the car

'Babying' is somewhat in the eye of the beholder but I suggest just being reasonable
E.g., avoid QC to levels beyond what you need
Walk a small distance for shade
If you can avoid stressing the battery from heat while continuing to enjoy the car, give the battery a break

At my home we have one good spot for shade that the LEAF owns, and our Prius Prime takes the more sunny spot. That sort of thing.
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

rmay635703
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Re: Project: Destroy my Battery

Wed May 24, 2017 6:27 pm

Volt drivers never have to worry about any of this nonsense,

Just drive the car how you need to, to get where you gotta go

groingo
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Delivery Date: 04 Mar 2017

Re: Project: Destroy my Battery

Wed May 24, 2017 7:44 pm

If your going to do this do it right and document it then share the info....thing is, this is a well thought out car so you may wind up beating only yourself as the car just keeps on....then comes the irony when it just won't die so you buy another!

2k1Toaster
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Re: Project: Destroy my Battery

Thu May 25, 2017 2:05 am

I live up on the front range of the Rocky Mountains, house is above 8000ft. I have a 2013 Leaf, no awesome warranty. And I have essentially been doing what you're planning.

I try to accelerate as fast as possible. Highway speeds in the area have posted limits of 75mph, traffic flows at 85mph and higher. In the Prius, 100mph-110mph speeds are common, and I am still getting passed. The Leaf is limited to 94mph or something, but I have kept it there which is long distance high current discharge of the pack. I charge with L1 everywhere which is worse the battery as it spends more time charging, and that is one factor in oxidation. I drive with sticky winter tires, all year long. Sometimes it snows in June, sometimes it snows in August. So it is not worth it to switch back and forth. I park it outside 100% of the time. The luxury and collector cars occupy the garages. It gets beaten down on with the sun (we get 100F+ days) and it freezes to where the battery warmers kick on (we get to -40F too, note the minus). It has sat for 2+ months at 100% charge on our East-Asia/India trip. It charges to 100% always. If it is not being driven, it is plugged in charging, no timers or any of that crap. I get home, it plugs in. If it charges to 100% by 12am, it sits at 100% until it gets driven next which may be days later after a weekend trip.

This Leaf is treated like crap. It is used and abused. There is no babying.

Last I checked in April, there was 23K miles on the odometer. It charges to 100%, all bars remaining. GOM still shows 90miles on a full charge. Real world mileage has been pretty constant but it does vary greatly with our climate and terrain. But if I drive the same way on a day that is about the same as another, it uses about the same %-of the battery as it did when it was new.
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eatsleafsandshoots
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Re: Project: Destroy my Battery

Thu May 25, 2017 6:46 am

2k1Toaster wrote:I live up on the front range of the Rocky Mountains, house is above 8000ft. I have a 2013 Leaf, no awesome warranty. And I have essentially been doing what you're planning.

I try to accelerate as fast as possible. Highway speeds in the area have posted limits of 75mph, traffic flows at 85mph and higher. In the Prius, 100mph-110mph speeds are common, and I am still getting passed. The Leaf is limited to 94mph or something, but I have kept it there which is long distance high current discharge of the pack. I charge with L1 everywhere which is worse the battery as it spends more time charging, and that is one factor in oxidation. I drive with sticky winter tires, all year long. Sometimes it snows in June, sometimes it snows in August. So it is not worth it to switch back and forth. I park it outside 100% of the time. The luxury and collector cars occupy the garages. It gets beaten down on with the sun (we get 100F+ days) and it freezes to where the battery warmers kick on (we get to -40F too, note the minus). It has sat for 2+ months at 100% charge on our East-Asia/India trip. It charges to 100% always. If it is not being driven, it is plugged in charging, no timers or any of that crap. I get home, it plugs in. If it charges to 100% by 12am, it sits at 100% until it gets driven next which may be days later after a weekend trip.

This Leaf is treated like crap. It is used and abused. There is no babying.

Last I checked in April, there was 23K miles on the odometer. It charges to 100%, all bars remaining. GOM still shows 90miles on a full charge. Real world mileage has been pretty constant but it does vary greatly with our climate and terrain. But if I drive the same way on a day that is about the same as another, it uses about the same %-of the battery as it did when it was new.


See, this is just what I wanted to hear! I'm OK with not getting a new battery if it means my original one still meets my needs. I"m only at 6,600 feet and I like to keep it to 70-75 on the freeway, but otherwise I'd like to treat my Leaf like yours. Sounds like it just might work - a moving EV is one that's saving its owner money!
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powersurge
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Location: Long Island, NY

Re: Project: Destroy my Battery

Thu May 25, 2017 6:47 am

I once had a work buddy who proudly described how every year he would buy a power washer on Friday, wash his house and stuff all weekend long, and then return it on Monday, saying it didn't work right.... So he would wash his house every year for free.... And who would pay for that?? US.... The consumer.

You guys who are proudly shooting your mouths about PLANNING to abuse your cars and the hope to get free rewards in the future fall into the neighborhood of low life consumers.... I hate them and am repulsed by them. You can't backpedal and say, "oh.. I just want to use the car normally".

I hope Nissan has some spies on this site that can identify yooz..

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