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Re: Long trip LEAF (2011-2017 models) success stories.

Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:07 pm

IssacZachary wrote:
webeleafowners wrote:I don't if you would call what we do a tip or trick for longer range travel. We just set the cruise to whatever the speed limit is. But I think this is the key. Here in BC the speed limits are low. 80 90 or occasionally 100 km/h. At these speeds a trip in these parts almost always guarantees range of greater than 200 km even with the AC set at 24. Our GOM always under estimates our range. When we start with the AC on we usually see 194 or so on the GOM. But buy the time we are half way through the battery we usually have 105 or more left on the GOM. This is on a fairly routine run between Vernon and Revelstoke. We have good DCFC coverage in this area so it's not much of a concern anyway. But for us it just comes down to speed. A good portion of that trip is 80 km/h with the rest ar 90 and 100. Overall our range is higher than what we expected when we bought the car and definetly higher than the EPA rating.

In other words, don't rely on the GOM. It can indicate much more or much less than your actual range.


Yah I suppose you could sum it up that way. It seems to be 5 percent either side of reality which really isn't that bad. In our situation and at the speeds we travel on our regular route it always seems to slightly underestimate. But from what I can see that is probably because our speed limits on the routes we commonly travel are lower than maybe what the average north American route is.
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Re: Long trip LEAF (2011-2017 models) success stories.

Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:46 pm

webeleafowners wrote:Yah I suppose you could sum it up that way. It seems to be 5 percent either side of reality which really isn't that bad. In our situation and at the speeds we travel on our regular route it always seems to slightly underestimate. But from what I can see that is probably because our speed limits on the routes we commonly travel are lower than maybe what the average north American route is.

Living here in the mountains means the GOM is practically useless. I got this reading after coming down Cerro Summit at 65mph. On the way back I did mostly 35mph and only got 65miles with around 10% left. I other words the GOM showed about double what it should. And every time I set the GPS on the Leaf it always says I probably won't make it on the first hill climb showing as los as 30miles when I still have nearly 50miles left.

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Re: Long trip LEAF (2011-2017 models) success stories.

Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:59 pm

IssacZachary wrote:Great comments!
Personally I have this desire to make the Leaf my only vehicle, even though that sounds very impractical. Yet practicality is subject to opinion. If one person might drive an ICEV from coast to coast whereas many would think such a drive is impractical, why can't someone drive from coast to coast in an EV even if everyone else thinks it's impractical?


There are a large number of people who have no personal powered vehicle and make do with public transit, rental cars, a bicycle, friends, and what have you. Surely having only an EV gives you much more flexibility than that.

And people have driven an EV from coast to coast. More a demonstration than a practical way to cross the country, but definitely doable.

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Re: Long trip LEAF (2011-2017 models) success stories.

Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:05 pm

With my 2011 Leaf SL, I drove an average close to 11,000 miles/yr. Most work days typically driving 30-45 miles a day. Sometime driving my son to school, then heading to work. Sometimes shopping on the way home.

Thought about driving to Los Angeles from home in National City (Southern San Diego area), but didn't have a strong reason to go, and in the early years the quick charging infrastructure was not that extensive.

I did take one longer trip that was about 50+ miles one way up north of Escondido and into Valley Center hills for an organic farm event. I was testing some newly installed D.C. QCs along I-15, not necessarily charging up all the way, but just getting a quick booster charge. I made it to the farm, but had misjudged/didn't properly think about the drain on the battery from the hills. Wasn't sure I would have enough to drive back to the Escondido DC QC. Luckily there were some easily accessible 120 V socket and they let me plugging an hour or two during the event, which was enough to eliminate the concern for the trip leg back to the D.C. QC station..

With my recently purchased 2017 SV, I took my first "long" trip totaling 344 miles. From National City (Southern San Diego) to Riverside for a 3-day Convention, then to Sherman Oaks (toward east Los Angeles) for an event, then back to San Diego after stopping by some relatives. I had a longer range EV with 107 miles (and much quicker to charge up to 85%). A much more extensive D.C. QC infrastructure than years before and the excellent PlugShare App to research each charging station in advance. Was a little conservative on the first leg to Riverside ( driving slowly and probably stopping and charging a little more frequently than needed.). Then stretching the range with less stops on the second leg. The final leg back to San Diego was okay, but headed home a little later than planned and when it got dark was a little harder to find some of the charging stations and one shopping mall actually closed the entrance gate (it was late Sunday night), but did get a charge at the next stop and made it home around 11pm. All in all a good learning trip experience.
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Re: Long trip LEAF (2011-2017 models) success stories.

Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:33 pm

I just made it back from Montrose. About 65 miles with about 6,000ft total climb and about 4,000ft fall and lots of wind. I made it back home with 10%. Last week I did it and got back with 18%, but I think the wind really makes it difficult.
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Re: Long trip LEAF (2011-2017 models) success stories.

Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:57 pm

EV Trip Reports Posted to MyNissanLeaf.com by Paul Gipe

Below is a short summary of the EV Trip Reports I’ve posted to MyNissanLeaf.com. They can also be found on my web site www.wind-works.org under EV Trip Reports. There’s more commentary both on my web site and on MyNissanLeaf.com about driving and living with an EV, but these are the main trip reports. There may be a few on my web site that were never posted to the forum.

EV Trip Report: Tehachapi Revisited
by paulgipe » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:08 am » in Pacific USA

I-5 Over the Tejon Pass with EV Express DC Fast Chargers
by paulgipe » Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:17 pm » in Pacific USA

Bakersfield to Grover Beach Using Only DCFC
by paulgipe » Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:45 pm » in Pacific USA

EV Trip Report: Bakersfield to Palm Springs
by paulgipe » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:17 pm » in Pacific USA

Stats on a Star-Crossed Trip: Bakersfield to LAX & Return
by paulgipe » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:14 am » in Pacific USA

Star-Crossed Trip: Bakersfield to LAX & Return
by paulgipe » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:10 am » in Pacific USA

EV Trip Report: Bakersfield to Ridgecrest via Mountain Mesa
by paulgipe » Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:04 am » in Pacific USA

Bakersfield to Ridgecrest: Anyone Done It?
by paulgipe » Fri May 15, 2015 3:16 pm » in Pacific USA

EV Trip Report: Bakersfield to Los Angeles & Return
by paulgipe » Wed May 27, 2015 4:25 pm » in Pacific USA

Trip Report: Bakersfield to Tehachapi, California
by paulgipe » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:31 am » in Pacific USA

EV Trip Report: Bakersfield to Kernville
by paulgipe » Wed May 13, 2015 12:58 pm » in Pacific USA

500 Miles in an EV—Some Observations
by paulgipe » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:07 pm » in Pacific USA

EV Trip Report: Bakersfield to Grover Beach and SLO--550 mi.
by paulgipe » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:21 am » in Pacific USA

EV Trip Report: Bakersfield to Lebec and the Grapevine
by paulgipe » Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:20 am » in Pacific USA

I hope this is helpful. In short they describe the fun but also the difficulty of driving a limited range EV in California's Central Valley.

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Re: Long trip LEAF (2011-2017 models) success stories.

Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:33 am

Yesterday, I drove from Seaside, Oregon to Bandon, Oregon down Highway 101 on the Oregon coast in my 2016 Leaf (with 30 kWh battery). Total distance was 240+ miles in about 7 hours, 30 min.

Here are my observations.

1. Make a list of charging stations, their address, and distance between stations before you start. This really helps when deciding whether to stop at a station or now (you can glance at the list and see the next charging station is only 39 miles so you can "go for it".
2. Check each station in Plugshare before the journey to weed out any that are known not to work.
3. Have a backup plan in case you get stuck somewhere with a broken charger and not enough charge to get to the next charger.
4. Route the car Navigation to the business if you can rather than the address because it can be confusing to find the charger. I use my phone to run Leaf Spy Pro so I don't use it for Google Maps which probably does a better job of Nav than the car.
5. It is nice to know which stations have an available bathroom nearby and if food is available. In my case the Fred Meyers locations had both and the Newport station has a nice public restroom in the same lot.

Note: I only planned on using CHAdeMO fast chargers and because I have a NCTC card, all my charging was free.

I only saw one other EV on the trip and it was a Leaf stopping at the Coos Bay charger just as I was leaving. I had no waiting at the chargers and the rate the 30 kWh pack accepts charge is outstanding. I tried to stop charging between 80 and 90% to minimize battery heating and did keep the battery out of the red although I did see a high of 118 degree F when I let it charge to 93% (got distracted in the Casino). The cool weather (62 degrees F) on the coast, quickly cooled the battery down despite my driving. Based on the range I have (>100 miles), my strategy was to hit every other charger while keeping the battery between 20 and 80 %. It worked well.

In all it was an uneventful, pleasant drive and shows it is possible to go on trips today without huge effort or huge battery packs.
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Re: Long trip LEAF (2011-2017 models) success stories.

Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:50 pm

webfootguy wrote:Yesterday, I drove from Seaside, Oregon to Bandon, Oregon down Highway 101 on the Oregon coast in my 2016 Leaf (with 30 kWh battery). Total distance was 240+ miles in about 7 hours, 30 min.

Here are my observations.

1. Make a list of charging stations, their address, and distance between stations before you start. This really helps when deciding whether to stop at a station or now (you can glance at the list and see the next charging station is only 39 miles so you can "go for it".
2. Check each station in Plugshare before the journey to weed out any that are known not to work.
3. Have a backup plan in case you get stuck somewhere with a broken charger and not enough charge to get to the next charger.
4. Route the car Navigation to the business if you can rather than the address because it can be confusing to find the charger. I use my phone to run Leaf Spy Pro so I don't use it for Google Maps which probably does a better job of Nav than the car.
5. It is nice to know which stations have an available bathroom nearby and if food is available. In my case the Fred Meyers locations had both and the Newport station has a nice public restroom in the same lot.

Note: I only planned on using CHAdeMO fast chargers and because I have a NCTC card, all my charging was free.

I only saw one other EV on the trip and it was a Leaf stopping at the Coos Bay charger just as I was leaving. I had no waiting at the chargers and the rate the 30 kWh pack accepts charge is outstanding. I tried to stop charging between 80 and 90% to minimize battery heating and did keep the battery out of the red although I did see a high of 118 degree F when I let it charge to 93% (got distracted in the Casino). The cool weather (62 degrees F) on the coast, quickly cooled the battery down despite my driving. Based on the range I have (>100 miles), my strategy was to hit every other charger while keeping the battery between 20 and 80 %. It worked well.

In all it was an uneventful, pleasant drive and shows it is possible to go on trips today without huge effort or huge battery packs.

Was 7:30 your minimum en-route time (driving + charging) or your total time, including all stop time unrelated to the above? 240 miles / 7.5 hours is an average speed of advance of 32 mph, which most people who just wanted to drive to get to their destination as quickly as possible would consider onerous. Hwy 1 is often driven more leisurely owing to its scenic qualities, so that doesn't necessarily apply here.
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Re: Long trip LEAF (2011-2017 models) success stories.

Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:01 pm

That was wall time. This is an interesting aspect of EV driving. Highway 101 is littered by curves and towns with 25 to 45 speed limits and stretches of 55 mph speed limits. Ideal for EV driving. I averaged 4.8 miles per kWh for the whole trip (and entire stretches of 5.2 m/kWh). If I had taken a high speed highway (65 to 70 mph), my time would be less but I would have had to charge more.
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Re: Long trip LEAF (2011-2017 models) success stories.

Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:53 am

webfootguy wrote:In all it was an uneventful, pleasant drive and shows it is possible to go on trips today without huge effort or huge battery packs.
This is what happens with a series of well-placed DCQCs. I've done this drive as well and the WA-OR AV network is very well done, especially considering that it was put in place in 6-7 years ago.
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