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DNAinaGoodWay
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Re: After 2 weeks with a Bolt, here's everything I miss about the Leaf

Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:47 am

jlv wrote:
DNAinaGoodWay wrote:A week and a half in and what I miss most about the Leaf is the built in nav, bad as it was sometimes. Up in the mountains, Apple maps goes blank. Had to break out the ancient Garmin.

Perhaps use Google Maps and download the region for offline access? Then it won't ever "go blank". When we were vacationing in UT/CO last year, I had both states saved offline. As it is, I have parts of NH, NY, and VT saved offline for when I travel across them.


Google maps doesn't come up on my CarPlay, only Apple maps.

But I haven't tried sending anything to the car yet, is that how you're doing it?
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 Ahr

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powersurge
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Re: After 2 weeks with a Bolt, here's everything I miss about the Leaf

Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:01 am

I see people talking about the Bolt and often refer to the Leaf as a "short range" car. I certainly do not see the Leaf as a short range car. For me, a short range vehicle is like a golf cart, with big heavy SLA batteries, and can only go 15-20 miles...

I see the Leaf as an unrestricted commuter car, able to travel to neighboring cities. I don't see being able to make a straight shot of 60-70 miles, or a round trip of 35 miles (each way) as short range.

Yes, the Bolt may be an attractive car for new EV drivers that want to do a round trip to a destination 70 miles away. I have been with my '15 Leaf for 3 years, and have come to depend on it daily for my 50 mile round trip. Cant sneeze at that for a "first generation" car. SO.... I don't see missing my Leaf for a long while....

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Re: After 2 weeks with a Bolt, here's everything I miss about the Leaf

Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:05 am

I don't know about Apple Carplay (I am a strong Apple opponent) but on Android Auto I can pre-download all the maps that I need for a given area or areas and then not need a cellular connection... I will sometimes do this just in case when I know I will be in an area of limited cell service and it works great.

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:A week and a half in and what I miss most about the Leaf is the built in nav, bad as it was sometimes. Up in the mountains, Apple maps goes blank. Had to break out the ancient Garmin.
59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 w/ new Lizard (barely made the warranty).
71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

Now driving a 2016 Volt Premier. Model 3 reserved.

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jlv
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Re: After 2 weeks with a Bolt, here's everything I miss about the Leaf

Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:07 am

I didn't realize that CarPlay was limited like that. I don't have a car with CarPlay (or Android Auto. since I don't have an iPhone) support, so I can only wish I had such problems. You'd think Tesla would support such, but apparently it's not on Elon's wish list so support isn't likely to happen :(. At least if they ever decide to support it, it would be able to get added via an OTA update.

For the LEAF, I long ago gave up on the nav (and "send to car"). With GMaps & Waze, I just enter the address when I go. But the trips in the LEAF are limited; mostly commuting and occasionally 50 mile round-trips to Worcester in the west or Boston in the east and mostly I just want traffic reports (Waze).

For the Tesla, the best way to send an address to the car is to add an entry to your calendar ("Trip to MD") with the destination set as the location. When you get in the car on that day, the navigation automatically brings up the route and plots stops for SC as needed. The nav is quite good (it is Google Maps with some Tesla "stuff"), although there are a couple of cases where it routes weirdly. Like when I am going home, it wants to take the long way to the house around the far side of the reservoir for some reason.
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NeilBlanchard
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Re: After 2 weeks with a Bolt, here's everything I miss about the Leaf

Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:59 am

There are 2 things I miss about our Leaf, than are not on our Bolt EV:

1) A light in the charging port.

2) The center front location of the charging port.

That's it.

GetOffYourGas
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Re: After 2 weeks with a Bolt, here's everything I miss about the Leaf

Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:10 am

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:It would be good to know pack temp just in case of malfunctions.


Exactly. It's good to monitor these things, just like you have an Oil Temp gauge in a gas car in addition to the "engine overheating" idiot light.

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:And when the map is up, you lose the outside temp display.


Yes! I forgot about this. It was annoying to have to switch to "home" view to see the temp, and then dig back into the maps (I found a way to do it with two button presses, but that's two too many).

NeilBlanchard wrote:The center front location of the charging port.


Yes. At work, we have dual-headed EVSEs between every other parking spot. So for the Bolt, every other spot is on the wrong side. That's also true for Volts, i3s, Focus EVs (all of which we have), Energis, eGolfs, ... the list goes on. The right-hand spots are in high demand. The left-hand spots are second class parking.

Also related to views, I cannot turn on my seat heater with the car in reverse (the button on the screen turns into the backup camera). This is annoying because I often get into a cold car and then have to back out. Minor annoyance, like most of these things. Like all cars, it comes with tradeoffs based on when the designers and engineers chose to do.
~Brian

EV Fleet:
2011 Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard on a 22' sailboat
2012 Leaf SV (traded for Bolt)
2015 C-Max Energi (302A package)
2017 Bolt Premier

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DNAinaGoodWay
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Re: After 2 weeks with a Bolt, here's everything I miss about the Leaf

Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:55 pm

My first Leaf had no port light. Used a stick on LED. Not sure if it'll fit in the Bolt port.

Port in front is better.

Remote heat comes on at the settings I shut it off with. Nice and toasty when I get in, seats and all.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 Ahr

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Re: After 2 weeks with a Bolt, here's everything I miss about the Leaf

Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:03 pm

powersurge wrote:I see people talking about the Bolt and often refer to the Leaf as a "short range" car.


My 2012 was the longest range EV available here, that I could afford, at the time. Same with the '15. I lived with them for five years and they served me well. I could still, just don't want to. Leaf is only a short range car by comparison. When I'm down to 33% SOC, I know I'm still at full Leaf, and I'm very comfortable with that.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 Ahr

'17 Bolt LT



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dprendergast
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Re: After 2 weeks with a Bolt, here's everything I miss about the Leaf

Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:22 pm

This is kind of like telling your ex-wife's family why you divorced her, and how awesome your new girlfriend is. It may all be true, but talking about it isn't going to reflect well on you.

GetOffYourGas
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Re: After 2 weeks with a Bolt, here's everything I miss about the Leaf

Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:55 pm

dprendergast wrote:This is kind of like telling your ex-wife's family why you divorced her, and how awesome your new girlfriend is. It may all be true, but talking about it isn't going to reflect well on you.


:lol:

I view it as the opposite. Telling your ex-wife's family why you sometimes miss her. Even if you have moved on.

I could keep adding to this thread, but to your point, I probably shouldn't. I should just move on and stop looking longingly back at some of the Leaf's better features.
~Brian

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2011 Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard on a 22' sailboat
2012 Leaf SV (traded for Bolt)
2015 C-Max Energi (302A package)
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