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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:06 am

powersurge wrote:Who cares about some freakin visors!!! What's next... Door handles?? We are talking about the test drives...................


It probably depends upon how/where you drive. My commute is southbound on the freeway in the morning and northbound in the evening. I had to fabricate an extender for the 2011 and I use the built-in extender at least 5 days a week on the 2015 so I am glad to learn that the new model will still offer shade to the side.
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brotherjethro
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:28 pm

Wow... They claim I'm confirmed for this coming Sunday, at my house. If it works out, that will be really cool.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:57 pm

I had my test drive this past Monday.

The setup was very well done - a confirmation phone call the day before and the demo person called 30 minutes before his arrival. He arrived exactly on time in what he said was a SV with white paint and the black 'floating roof'. I liked the look and would consider paying the $650 for it. It had a light fabric cloth seat that I don't see as an option on the 'build your Leaf' web site so it is no doubt a pre-production car. The fit-and-finish of the car seemed fine and it was immaculate despite having driven down from Vancouver.

My driver Andrew said I was the first demo drive in Oregon. Heck, and I wasn't even trying. He was fairly knowledgeable about the car - nothing like the Craigslist guy I had for the 2011 initial roll out demo. Of course, he wasn't up to MyNissanLeaf standards but who is? :)

I was told that I had the run of the car for an hour. If I wanted to sit in the driveway with it for all that time Andrew was fine with that. As it was, I checked out the engine compartment, new body features and had my wife sit in the car. I liked the new styling and the car presented itself well.

Once I started driving my initial impression was that the car was quicker in acceleration. Road noise was also less (Andrew pointed out fender well insulation that was new). I quickly adapted to the analog speedometer despite having to navigate through several speed zones. I didn't miss the 'eco-tree' display but did miss the more prominent regen display.

Andrew attempted to demo ProPIlot but it would not 'lock-in' on the 2-lane roadway of highway 99W near my home. The speed limit varied between 45 and 55mph and it was sunny with clearly visible lane markers. He also demoed E-Pedal but it was not something that I think I would use. Just my preference. The driving portion of the hour lasted about 30 minutes, mostly because I had seen enough of the new features of the car.

We spent the remainder of the hour comparing my 2016 SV to the 2018. I showed him Leaf Spy and he was amazed by the info it provided. He took several pictures of the various displays. I resisted the temptation to plug into the 2018's CAN BUS port to see what Leaf Spy would display.

Final thoughts? Nissan did a terrific job with this program as compared to 2011. The demo driver was knowledgeable, professional and did a good job demoing the car. The car itself is a nice upgrade from my 2016 model. Nothing revolutionary but all the changes are (mostly) positive. My biggest concern is whether the battery will display the same high capacity loss that my 2016 is showing - a SOH of 86% after 18 months and 6500 miles. In Oregon. With no quick charges. This, for me, is the 800lb gorilla in the room.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:30 pm

HIOJim wrote:... It had a light fabric cloth seat that I don't see as an option on the 'build your Leaf' web site so it is no doubt a pre-production car. ...


My understanding from other commenters is that a few more interior/exterior colors and configurations will become available once production ramps up, but are not yet shown on the online US configurator.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:14 am

cwerdna wrote:Yes, I heard about these two parts (first the first time) at EVent at Nissan's Sunnyvale research office earlier tonight. I signed up on tablets there for the test drive and yeah, a slide mentioned Oct timeframe for events like what Joe6pack mentioned. The marketing guy mentioned there'd be a celebrity chef there.

I did receive a "Your all-new LEAF driving experience is confirmed" email after signing up but nothing about the celebrity chef event.


I received my confirmation of the dinner 4 days AFTER the dinner... ( I went any way)
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:33 am

HIOJim wrote:I had my test drive this past Monday.

The setup was very well done - a confirmation phone call the day before and the demo person called 30 minutes before his arrival. He arrived exactly on time in what he said was a SV with white paint and the black 'floating roof'. I liked the look and would consider paying the $650 for it. It had a light fabric cloth seat that I don't see as an option on the 'build your Leaf' web site so it is no doubt a pre-production car. The fit-and-finish of the car seemed fine and it was immaculate despite having driven down from Vancouver.

My driver Andrew said I was the first demo drive in Oregon. Heck, and I wasn't even trying. He was fairly knowledgeable about the car - nothing like the Craigslist guy I had for the 2011 initial roll out demo. Of course, he wasn't up to MyNissanLeaf standards but who is? :)

I was told that I had the run of the car for an hour. If I wanted to sit in the driveway with it for all that time Andrew was fine with that. As it was, I checked out the engine compartment, new body features and had my wife sit in the car. I liked the new styling and the car presented itself well.

Once I started driving my initial impression was that the car was quicker in acceleration. Road noise was also less (Andrew pointed out fender well insulation that was new). I quickly adapted to the analog speedometer despite having to navigate through several speed zones. I didn't miss the 'eco-tree' display but did miss the more prominent regen display.

Andrew attempted to demo ProPIlot but it would not 'lock-in' on the 2-lane roadway of highway 99W near my home. The speed limit varied between 45 and 55mph and it was sunny with clearly visible lane markers. He also demoed E-Pedal but it was not something that I think I would use. Just my preference. The driving portion of the hour lasted about 30 minutes, mostly because I had seen enough of the new features of the car.

We spent the remainder of the hour comparing my 2016 SV to the 2018. I showed him Leaf Spy and he was amazed by the info it provided. He took several pictures of the various displays. I resisted the temptation to plug into the 2018's CAN BUS port to see what Leaf Spy would display.

Final thoughts? Nissan did a terrific job with this program as compared to 2011. The demo driver was knowledgeable, professional and did a good job demoing the car. The car itself is a nice upgrade from my 2016 model. Nothing revolutionary but all the changes are (mostly) positive. My biggest concern is whether the battery will display the same high capacity loss that my 2016 is showing - a SOH of 86% after 18 months and 6500 miles. In Oregon. With no quick charges. This, for me, is the 800lb gorilla in the room.


Not trying one pedal is an error. Besides you really don't know what you would like if its something you have never seen before, right? I know I can't do a better job than the computer and in this case, the feature worked VERY well (not like many early features that needed to be fine tuned before the production release. Now I will say that I won't use one pedal until I am down to at least 95% SOC because One Pedal will use a higher ratio of friction braking when SOC won't allow the higher level of regen that One Pedal would be using. During my test drive, I hit the brake pedal ONE time to shift into gear and that was it during my entire test drive which did including parking the car to switch drivers.


As far as the battery issue, I think you simply had bad timing. It would appear Nissan simply mixed a bad batch. Now a lot of people will say this and that especially 3-4 months ago when I first brought it up (and YOU were the reason I started suspecting something amiss) but you are the anomaly. You don't live in Phoenix, The Mojave or wherever else the "excuse de jour" is. Now, I tried to collect data to determine if there is a "line" between the "have's" and the "have nots" but the response was poor to say the least.

But as time passes, the line will become clearer. Its looking like builds after 3/2016 are ok so far but could be too early to tell but the packs from 10/15 to 2/16 showed degradation rapidly and early much like yours did so guessing either the later builds are fine or people simply don't have the tools like LEAF Spy to see that 12th bar fading...

So you mentioned the car was quieter. Did you hear "any" whine at all from the motor?
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:58 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
So you mentioned the car was quieter. Did you hear "any" whine at all from the motor?

I admit I was concentrating on road noise but I don't recall hearing any motor whine.

Overall noise reduction was better than any of my previous Leafs but not as good as the 2017 Chevy Bolt I test drove two months ago.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:33 am

HIOJim wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
So you mentioned the car was quieter. Did you hear "any" whine at all from the motor?

I admit I was concentrating on road noise but I don't recall hearing any motor whine.

Overall noise reduction was better than any of my previous Leafs but not as good as the 2017 Chevy Bolt I test drove two months ago.



I ask because the "Jetson takeoff" noise is quite noticeable inside the car but on my test drive, we had 4 people in the car (we were talkative) windows rolled down, etc. but I didn't hear anything even when accelerating so the motor noise seems to be all but gone. Pretty much confirms this is an all new motor
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:34 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:As far as the battery issue, I think you simply had bad timing....

But as time passes, the line will become clearer. Its looking like builds after 3/2016 are ok so far but could be too early to tell but the packs from 10/15 to 2/16 showed degradation rapidly and early much like yours did so guessing either the later builds are fine or people simply don't have the tools like LEAF Spy to see that 12th bar fading...

My car is a 12/15 build so it would fall into the 'bad batch' you mention.

I hope your hypothesis is correct as I like what Nissan has done with the 2018. I'll be happy to turn it in my 2016 when its 24-month lease expires next April. If its battery wasn't fading so fast I'd consider keeping it as I got a good deal on it and it will have a low residual.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Test Drive Events

Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:43 am

I have confirmed that Nissan will NOT bring me a leaf to test drive in Upstate NY.
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