LeafWannaBe984
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Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:45 am

Hi All,

I'm in the market for a used car and found out about the insanely low prices for used Nissan Leafs. I've been looking 2014 and 2015 models. 2014 models I'm seeing from $8-$9 while 2015 models are around $10-11K. Most models are under 25K miles and sometimes less than 15K miles

I'm a little concerned about the battery replacement and battery life issues as they get older. Most of the cars I have purchased I tend to keep for a while (My current Civic just hit 200K miles).

I'm looking at a 5 year loan for a used Leaf. I'm debating either this or a conventional gas used car for around the same price (probably a Ford Fiesta, Kia, or Hyundai). That $5500 battery replacement cost freaks me out a little --- though I usually spend quite a bit around the 150K mile line for my cars on maintenance (timing belts, oil change, tune-up, etc). My usual expensive maint items is around the 180K mark and has been stuff like struts, pumps, etc. I'v never had to replace a transmission or anything major like that in a house before except for an AC.

I live in Texas --- so it can get very hot here --- I believe that is a factor since you have to blast AC here to survive in the summer.

I also do not have a L2 charger- I'm planning on just using a conventional plug. There is a Nissan Dealership within biking distance from me with a free EV station.

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:21 am

LeafWannaBe984 wrote:Hi All,

I'm in the market for a used car and found out about the insanely low prices for used Nissan Leafs. I've been looking 2014 and 2015 models. 2014 models I'm seeing from $8-$9 while 2015 models are around $10-11K. Most models are under 25K miles and sometimes less than 15K miles

I'm a little concerned about the battery replacement and battery life issues as they get older. Most of the cars I have purchased I tend to keep for a while (My current Civic just hit 200K miles).

I'm looking at a 5 year loan for a used Leaf. I'm debating either this or a conventional gas used car for around the same price (probably a Ford Fiesta, Kia, or Hyundai). That $5500 battery replacement cost freaks me out a little --- though I usually spend quite a bit around the 150K mile line for my cars on maintenance (timing belts, oil change, tune-up, etc). My usual expensive maint items is around the 180K mark and has been stuff like struts, pumps, etc. I'v never had to replace a transmission or anything major like that in a house before except for an AC.

I live in Texas --- so it can get very hot here --- I believe that is a factor since you have to blast AC here to survive in the summer.

I also do not have a L2 charger- I'm planning on just using a conventional plug. There is a Nissan Dealership within biking distance from me with a free EV station.


How long is your average commute?

The 2015 has what's referred to as a "Lizard" battery that is better at withstanding heat, but I'm not sure how much better it is.

Generally, I would say buy it if 60% of the current range meets your commuting needs, but that might be a little pessimistic.

Of course, you need to download Leafspy and check the current stats on the battery.

The $5,500 shouldn't freak you out. You'll save enough on gas and maintenance over the next 5 years to cover it if you need it.

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:02 pm

I don't know where the indecision is here. If you keep cars a long time, there is no question..... Buy New. Why but a car where its best years have been enjoyed by the first owner (including the battery aging 3-4 years).

Buy new. Beat the crap out of the car until the battery goes (6-8 years?). At that point you got your first half use out of the car (80-100K miles). By that time, the new batteries will be better and cheaper, and you are then paying (investing) for the Second half of the car's life (100-200K miles)....

I hate when people complain that they will have to PAY for a new battery... They got the first battery for free (included with the car). What you pay for the second battery is for the use of the car for the 8-16 year period of the car's life. So in16 years, you paid zero in gas, oil, fluids, belts, exhaust, tune ups and drive train repairs. Where is the negative??

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:03 pm

This car would have a very light commute. No more than 30 miles roundtrip. The main issue would just be getting stuck in a traffic jam honestly. Yearly it will likely have less than 12K miles a year.

So 2015 models and up only have the lizard batteries? I would prefer to get a model that has the lizard batteries.

I usually hold on to to a car for about 12-14 years. I'm looking at used now because a New Honda is pretty expensive nowadays (would likely be over $20K). I thought about new for a Leaf, but that depreciation is very high and the used cars are very well priced.

New is around $26K for a Leaf, but 2015 used I'm finding for under $10K or bearly over that :shock:

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:29 pm

The "lizard pack" is only known to be present in the 2015 Leaf. In 2016 they went to a larger 30kwh pack, but it seems to be terrible, degradation-wise, especially in hot climates. Given your conditions and concerns, I wouldn't get a Leaf.
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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:49 pm

My wife had a Honda CRV 2000. We got it in 2004 and it was a great vehicle up until we sold it in 2015 for $3000 so it cost us about $10000 over those years in depreciation and about $1000 yr in others costs and $200 in gas each month. in 2012 it had a valve go back... Shop wanted $4700 to fix. And that was to bring the car to the same.. no improvement in mileage, performance or anything.. just because a valve was off and it would fail emissions. We were lucky, I am crazy enough to do stuff myself. It cost us about $800 and I did all the work.

With a EV a new battery basically gives you a NEW car all over again. This car has little issue with wear and tear items as it doesn't have all of that junk under the hood or elsewhere.. so I like the idea of getting my car back to a new version with that lump of cash. My wife's Leaf is much cheaper to run than her CRV.
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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:02 pm

I got mine used. 2011 with 8 bars at 58k for $4,200. Original owner was kind enough to meet me at the dealer prior to title transfer to install new Lizard battery for dealer split 20/80% with $1500 out of pocket, including TCU update. Leaves me with a darn near new car for less than $6k. Still needs a 12v battery and tires, but likely the only maintenance I'll need to do for quite some time. IMHO, it's a better deal than 2014/15 model, despite heater improvements, as I get newer battery and for $2k less.

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:48 pm

Supersleeper wrote:I got mine used. 2011 with 8 bars at 58k for $4,200. Original owner was kind enough to meet me at the dealer prior to title transfer to install new Lizard battery for dealer split 20/80% with $1500 out of pocket, including TCU update. Leaves me with a darn near new car for less than $6k. Still needs a 12v battery and tires, but likely the only maintenance I'll need to do for quite some time. IMHO, it's a better deal than 2014/15 model, despite heater improvements, as I get newer battery and for $2k less.


Could you explain that TCU update and only paying $1500 out of pocket for the new battery? How did that work? Was it within warranty or part of the negotiated price?

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:35 pm

OP, can you update your location info via your user name in the upper right > User Control Panel > Profile tab? That way, we don't need to ask in future posts/threads or do sleuthing to deduce it. I had to dig thru your posts to find your location, in the first post.

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Re: Looking Into Buying A Used Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:45 pm

LeafWannaBe984 wrote:This car would have a very light commute. No more than 30 miles roundtrip. The main issue would just be getting stuck in a traffic jam honestly. Yearly it will likely have less than 12K miles a year.

So 2015 models and up only have the lizard batteries? I would prefer to get a model that has the lizard batteries.

I usually hold on to to a car for about 12-14 years. I'm looking at used now because a New Honda is pretty expensive nowadays (would likely be over $20K). I thought about new for a Leaf, but that depreciation is very high and the used cars are very well priced.

New is around $26K for a Leaf, but 2015 used I'm finding for under $10K or bearly over that :shock:


Leafs actually do great in a traffic jam - slow speeds are very battery efficient and no "burning gas" when idling.

Don't forget about the $7,500 federal income tax rebate. If your tax liability isn't large enough to take advantage of most (ideally all) of this amount, I would not consider a new Leaf. I would expect a new 2017 S with QC to cost significantly less than $20k when factoring in the rebate.

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