Rat
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Re: Lost my first bar- Your thoughts please.

Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:11 pm

Becky50 wrote:
My advice is to not go OCD on it. Sure, give it a little love but don't go extreme. Enjoy it as a normal car and drive it.
One of the original Forum members gave me this same advice in early 2013. I took it and am still loving driving my 2012 LEAF. It is a 2 bar loser with 36,000 miles. And it continues to meet 99% of my driving needs.

I'm the original Forum member Becky mentioned. I share her experience. I live four blocks from Cupertino, so much like your original owner. I've lost only two bars on my 2011. I don't drive much - still < 30,000 mi. and the car meets 99% of my needs, too. I haven't kept track of exactly when I lost my first two bars, but my impression is that the second one came faster than the first one. It's been garaged most of its life, but the last six months or so it's been kept outside so my wife's repainted car can have the garage. I charge to 80% overnight normally, but now and then go to 100%, sometimes during the day, but I don't think I've ever done it on an exceptionally hot day. I've only used QC five or six times in the life of the car. Your experience sounds pretty normal to me. Like others, I recommend not obsessing and just treat it like a normal car.

bwatl
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:53 pm

I bought a used 2013 Leaf SL with a build date of March 2013. It had 10,584 miles when I purchased it in October 2016. I lost the first capacity bar about a month after purchase with 12,576 miles. I lost the 2nd bar on June 14, 2017 with 22,455 miles. I just recently lost the 3rd capacity bar around 28,300 miles in November 2017. What date will Nissan use for the battery warranty? According to the Carfax report, it arrived to a dealer in Grapevine, TX on March 26, 2013 and was sold to the first owner on May 28, 2013. Do I have until the end of May 2018 to hopefully lose the 4th bar?


Current Leaf Spy readings:
AHr=46.71
SOH= 71%
Hx= 64.72%
39 QCs
2839 L1/L2s
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:17 pm

Yes, it should be exactly five years from the day it was first sold.

You can call 877-NOGASEV and they will verify the date of expiration based on VIN.
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2013 Nissan Leaf S + QC sold with warranty pack replacement

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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:06 am

SeasonsAfter wrote:Why don't you think I have the canary battery? From my reading in these forums is if the manufacture date is between 1/2013-3/2013 is that is the older technology battery.

Please explain. I know with my numbers is in four months having the AHr drop to 42 will be nearly impossible. HX as well.

Oh well, I am hoping Nissan can find it in their hearts to help out an owner when the bar drops after the warranty period is over. Getting a replacement battery for 10-20% of the cost would be great!

The Leaf is great, I love not paying for gas or oil changes or smog checks. Teslas are way too expensive and it seems like they have all kinds of maintenance issues.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automot ... otors.html


umm that is a "lost in translation" voice to text.

there is also a whole missing sentence as well. can't remember what else I said but I think it was something along the lines of day time charging and your high utility rates.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 11,987 miles, 485 GIDs, 37.6 kwh 110.89 Ahr , SOH 96.00, Hx 115.22
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mjblazin
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:41 am

[quote="bwatl"]I bought a used 2013 Leaf SL with a build date of March 2013. It had 10,584 miles when I purchased it in October 2016. I lost the first capacity bar about a month after purchase with 12,576 miles. I'm not sure when I lost the 2nd bar on June 14, 2017 with 22,455 miles. I just recently lost the 3rd capacity bar around 28,300 miles in November 2017. What date will Nissan use for the battery warranty? According to the Carfax report, it arrived to a dealer in Grapevine, TX on March 26, 2013 and was sold to the first owner on May 28, 2013. Do I have until the end of May 2018 to hopefully lose the 4th bar?

The date also appears on any work order you get from the dealer - DEL DATE, upper left corner.
2013 SL Blue Ocean
Bought used, March 2015 12,764 miles
4th bar drop 56 month, 20,200 miles, AHr at 42.1
Replaced battery.
Appears fully loaded
Condo home, Using public charge except in emergency
Dallas, TX downtown, shaded non-temp controlled garage

SeasonsAfter
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:54 am

mjblazin wrote:
bwatl wrote:I bought a used 2013 Leaf SL with a build date of March 2013. It had 10,584 miles when I purchased it in October 2016. I lost the first capacity bar about a month after purchase with 12,576 miles. I'm not sure when I lost the 2nd bar on June 14, 2017 with 22,455 miles. I just recently lost the 3rd capacity bar around 28,300 miles in November 2017. What date will Nissan use for the battery warranty? According to the Carfax report, it arrived to a dealer in Grapevine, TX on March 26, 2013 and was sold to the first owner on May 28, 2013. Do I have until the end of May 2018 to hopefully lose the 4th bar?

The date also appears on any work order you get from the dealer - DEL DATE, upper left corner.



You can contact Nissan directly to inquire when the in service date is. It would be 5 years from the in service date. Do you have Leaf Spy numbers you can provide? Sounds to me you might not make the warranty period if you only have lost the 3rd bar by now. I've lost my third bar over a year ago and will be hard pressed to make the 4th bar drop by the end of my warranty period (feb 21, 2018). My numbers below in my signature line show my battery numbers.
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 44.83 (all updated 2/1/2018)
SOH 68%
Hx 61.85%
35k on ODO
194 GIDs on full charge

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:42 pm

SeasonsAfter wrote:
mjblazin wrote:
bwatl wrote:I bought a used 2013 Leaf SL with a build date of March 2013. It had 10,584 miles when I purchased it in October 2016. I lost the first capacity bar about a month after purchase with 12,576 miles. I'm not sure when I lost the 2nd bar on June 14, 2017 with 22,455 miles. I just recently lost the 3rd capacity bar around 28,300 miles in November 2017. What date will Nissan use for the battery warranty? According to the Carfax report, it arrived to a dealer in Grapevine, TX on March 26, 2013 and was sold to the first owner on May 28, 2013. Do I have until the end of May 2018 to hopefully lose the 4th bar?

The date also appears on any work order you get from the dealer - DEL DATE, upper left corner.



You can contact Nissan directly to inquire when the in service date is. It would be 5 years from the in service date. Do you have Leaf Spy numbers you can provide? Sounds to me you might not make the warranty period if you only have lost the 3rd bar by now. I've lost my third bar over a year ago and will be hard pressed to make the 4th bar drop by the end of my warranty period (feb 21, 2018). My numbers below in my signature line show my battery numbers.


Its only 6% to lose and it gets warm early in GA. Just drive it more. Take it on a 4 charge road trip. Remember; 6 % on a degraded pack goes much faster than the first 6% on a new pack.
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:10 pm

Yeah, I am having my leaf bask in the San Diego heat. Have it parked at work on the 7th floor in full sun! My fingers are crossed for my 4th battery bar to drop within a few months.

Any other 2013 (Jan thru March) Leafs that have Leaf Spy stats that are getting close to their warranty period expiration?

Good luck to all!
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 44.83 (all updated 2/1/2018)
SOH 68%
Hx 61.85%
35k on ODO
194 GIDs on full charge

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:52 pm

SeasonsAfter wrote:Yeah, I am having my leaf bask in the San Diego heat. Have it parked at work on the 7th floor in full sun! My fingers are crossed for my 4th battery bar to drop within a few months.

Any other 2013 (Jan thru March) Leafs that have Leaf Spy stats that are getting close to their warranty period expiration?

Good luck to all!


hope its charging while sitting up there!
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 11,987 miles, 485 GIDs, 37.6 kwh 110.89 Ahr , SOH 96.00, Hx 115.22
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edatoakrun
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:43 pm

SeasonsAfter wrote:Yeah, I am having my leaf bask in the San Diego heat. Have it parked at work on the 7th floor in full sun! My fingers are crossed for my 4th battery bar to drop within a few months...

Odds are you will just be wasting your time, and some small fraction of your remaining battery capacity.

I don't know what your battery warranty says, but for 2011 MY LEAFs:

LITHIUM-ION BATTERY

This warranty does not cover damage or failures resulting
from or caused by:

...intentionally
attempting to reduce the life of the lithium-ion
battery.
..

http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/imag ... ooklet.pdf

Just because Nissan has not, AFAIK, ever denied warranty coverage for that reason does not insure it will be so generous in the future.

Perhaps particularly in regard to the bottom-feeders who buy used leafs with the expressed intent of abusing their packs in order to game the four-bar warranty...should you consider yourself to fall within that class.
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