SeasonsAfter
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Re: Good Will Program over--Lost 4th bar 10 days after warranty expired, Nissan: 'too bad'

Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:55 am

The San Diego temperatures have been pretty hot too!!

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa ... o/historic
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 44.83 (all updated 2/1/2018)
SOH 68%
Hx 61.85%
35k on ODO
194 GIDs on full charge

edatoakrun
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Delivery Date: 15 May 2011
Leaf Number: 2184
Location: Shasta County, North California

Re: Good Will Program over--Lost 4th bar 10 days after warranty expired, Nissan: 'too bad'

Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:11 am

I wonder why Nissan suspended its out of warranty support program, when Nissan LEAF owners are so conscientious about caring for their battery packs?
SeasonsAfter wrote: ...been leaving the Leaf to bake in the sun at work...

LeftieBiker wrote:Make sure it spends as much time at 100% charge as possible.

smkettner wrote:...You need to QC, drive, QC, drive..... until the battery temp is at the top of the gauge and limiting charge level...

cwerdna wrote:...Run the battery to near dead then QC to heat up the battery, drive till near dead, QC to heat, etc...
If it's cooler outside at night than in your garage, don't leave it outside to cool. Maybe you can get someone else to do a QC, drive, etc. roadtrip when you can't...

BuckMkII wrote:...He doesn't have a QC.

Do you know a retiree who would do you a favor of L2ing it for 90', driving a quick lap on a highway and topping it up again every day?

cwerdna wrote:...In hindsight, the OP should've sent his car for "heat treatment" in Phoenix or Vegas starting around May 2017 thru at least September or October...
no condition is permanent

smkettner
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Location: Orange County, CA

Re: Good Will Program over--Lost 4th bar 10 days after warranty expired, Nissan: 'too bad'

Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:43 am

Sorry missed the no L3 port.

Best you can do is cycle the max out of it. In the evening run the heater all the way to Turtle or full shut down. Then charge overnight to 100%. Still good to get some fast miles on it to max cycle the battery these last days. Get up in the hills to really work it. If it sits try to be at 100% but I would be driving the wheels off.
1 bar lost at 21,451 miles, 16 months.
2 bar lost at 35,339 miles, 25 months.
LEAF traded at 45,400 miles for a RAV4-EV

SageBrush
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Location: Colorado

Re: Good Will Program over--Lost 4th bar 10 days after warranty expired, Nissan: 'too bad'

Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:52 am

edatoakrun wrote:I wonder why Nissan suspended its out of warranty support program, when Nissan LEAF owners are so conscientious about caring for their battery packs]

As usual troll, you are missing the facts.

The drop to ~ 44 Ahr within 5 years of manufacture was with typical use. The quasi-abuse suggestions are in hopes of triggering a drop to 8 bars battery capacity and gaining a warranty replacement.
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles

dm33
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Location: Raleigh, NC

Re: Good Will Program over--Lost 4th bar 10 days after warranty expired, Nissan: 'too bad'

Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:19 am

smkettner wrote:Sorry missed the no L3 port.

Best you can do is cycle the max out of it. In the evening run the heater all the way to Turtle or full shut down. Then charge overnight to 100%. Still good to get some fast miles on it to max cycle the battery these last days. Get up in the hills to really work it. If it sits try to be at 100% but I would be driving the wheels off.

Actually I believe quickly deep cycling the battery is not harmful.

It’s worse to let it sit, especially hot, at the extremes. Either very high state of charge or very low.

You can charge it and while parked run the heater to drain the battery without adding miles.

wwhitney
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Location: Berkeley, CA

Re: Good Will Program over--Lost 4th bar 10 days after warranty expired, Nissan: 'too bad'

Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:50 am

edatoakrun wrote:I wonder why Nissan suspended its out of warranty support program, when Nissan LEAF owners are so conscientious about caring for their battery packs?

The behavior being discussed is a rational response to an all or nothing warranty. A prorated warranty would have avoided any economic incentives for such games.

Cheers, Wayne

smkettner
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Re: Good Will Program over--Lost 4th bar 10 days after warranty expired, Nissan: 'too bad'

Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:44 pm

dm33 wrote:Actually I believe quickly deep cycling the battery is not harmful.

It’s worse to let it sit, especially hot, at the extremes. Either very high state of charge or very low.

You can charge it and while parked run the heater to drain the battery without adding miles.

You might be right although driving hard should add some battery heat. Run the heat on max with the windows open.

The other issue is the BMS only has a few more days to realize the capacity is gone.
My thought is to keep logging lowest capacity every day for best shot at dropping the bar.
Don't be nice to it.
1 bar lost at 21,451 miles, 16 months.
2 bar lost at 35,339 miles, 25 months.
LEAF traded at 45,400 miles for a RAV4-EV

Evoforce
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Location: Fountain Hills Arizona

Re: Good Will Program over--Lost 4th bar 10 days after warranty expired, Nissan: 'too bad'

Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:02 pm

My son solved his Nissan Leaf degradation problem... He traded it in for a Chevy Bolt.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

cwerdna
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Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: Good Will Program over--Lost 4th bar 10 days after warranty expired, Nissan: 'too bad'

Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:03 am

wwhitney wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:I wonder why Nissan suspended its out of warranty support program, when Nissan LEAF owners are so conscientious about caring for their battery packs?

The behavior being discussed is a rational response to an all or nothing warranty. A prorated warranty would have avoided any economic incentives for such games.

+100 to wwhitney's point.

FWIW, I try to baby my battery except on Friday (charge to 100% at work that day instead of 80% on most Mon thru Thur; try top off at free public L2 charging on the way home about 5 miles from home) and some Saturdays (may charge at free public L2 charging to near 100% and might stay at 85 to 92% for 12+ hours on Fri and Sat nights) as I've noted at posts like these:
viewtopic.php?p=513309#p513309
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=24697&p=507632&hilit=parking+cooler#p507632

My climate is not as mild as the PNW so I can't be concerned like Dave at viewtopic.php?p=509210#p509210 of not wanting to charge because it is 55 F outside. On most days in the afternoon here, it is warmer than 55 F.

Awhile after I bought my 5/2013 built used '13 Leaf in July 2015, it was discovered or I became convinced that the 4/2013+ batteries were better. Even w/the earlier crap batteries, it was marginal in my area about whether one would make it to 8 bars before the 5 year/60K capacity warranty expired. Some would make it and some wouldn't. But w/the better batteries and 12 bars when I bought it, it became clear I wouldn't make it, so I baby the battery. I lost my 1st bar in Nov 2017 and ~49.6K miles. There's no way I'm going to be down to 8 bars when my capacity warranty expires near end of June 2018.

'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

SageBrush
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Re: Good Will Program over--Lost 4th bar 10 days after warranty expired, Nissan: 'too bad'

Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:50 am

cwerdna wrote:
wwhitney wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:I wonder why Nissan suspended its out of warranty support program, when Nissan LEAF owners are so conscientious about caring for their battery packs?

The behavior being discussed is a rational response to an all or nothing warranty. A prorated warranty would have avoided any economic incentives for such games.

+100 to wwhitney's point.

FWIW, I try to baby my battery except on Friday (charge to 100% at work that day instead of 80% on most Mon thru Thur; try top off at free public L2 charging on the way home about 5 miles from home) and some Saturdays (may charge at free public L2 charging to near 100% and might stay at 85 to 92% for 12+ hours on Fri and Sat nights) as I've noted at posts like these:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 09#p513309
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... er#p507632

My climate is not as mild as the PNW so I can't be concerned like Dave at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 10#p509210 of not wanting to charge because it is 55 F outside. On most days in the afternoon here, it is warmer than 55 F.

Awhile after I bought my 5/2013 built used '13 Leaf in July 2015, it was discovered or I became convinced that the 4/2013+ batteries were better. Even w/the earlier crap batteries, it was marginal in my area about whether one would make it to 8 bars before the 5 year/60K capacity warranty expired. Some would make it and some wouldn't. But w/the better batteries and 12 bars when I bought it, it became clear I wouldn't make it, so I baby the battery. I lost my 1st bar in Nov 2017 and ~49.6K miles. There's no way I'm going to be down to 8 bars when my capacity warranty expires near end of June 2018.

Exactamundo.

My LEAF is very similar and I act the same, and my opinion about the Nissan battery is the same. They should pro-rate. Out to 100k miles. And trigger at 75% capacity.
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles

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