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Re: I have a Leaf, so now what?

Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:53 pm

IssacZachary wrote:I still keep throwing around the idea of a new Prime though. I still see some for around $25,000, which with the tax credits could put it at $15,000. If I can sell the Beetle for around $7,000 too I would just about break even in the end!

If you can swing that I think it would be an excellent way to go. An Ionic PHEV lists even less, and looks more normal. Worth comparing, and you might want to look at the Niro PHEV as well, which should be priced in the same range as the Prime.
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Re: I have a Leaf, so now what?

Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:11 pm

Is a 35 year old diesel VW worth anywhere near $7000 ?
Obviously not to me, but I'm curious.
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Re: I have a Leaf, so now what?

Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:30 pm

SageBrush wrote:Is a 35 year old diesel VW worth anywhere near $7000 ?
Obviously not to me, but I'm curious.

I have two VW's. The one I would like to get $5,000-$7,000 for is a 1972 Beetle. It's a bit more collectable than the 1985 diesel. The diesel might be worth $1,000, if that. I'll probably just keep the diesel as a backup or something. These are my only two cars at the moment.
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Re: I have a Leaf, so now what?

Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:38 pm

GRA wrote:
IssacZachary wrote:I still keep throwing around the idea of a new Prime though. I still see some for around $25,000, which with the tax credits could put it at $15,000. If I can sell the Beetle for around $7,000 too I would just about break even in the end!

If you can swing that I think it would be an excellent way to go. An Ionic PHEV lists even less, and looks more normal. Worth comparing, and you might want to look at the Niro PHEV as well, which should be priced in the same range as the Prime.

Ya but I've never really been into crossovers. I like how the regular Prius and the Prime are both aerodynamic in shape. I'm the kind of guy who would want an Aptera. While most people brag about how fast their car can go or how high off the ground it sits, I brag about how I get 60 mpg in my 35 year old car. When the Leaf worked for me I would brag about how it only cost me $15 per month to "fuel". And even though a used Toyota Yaris or a Honda Fit might calculate out cheaper in total operating costs than a Prius, I would feel bad getting only 45mpg.
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Re: I have a Leaf, so now what?

Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:33 am

I sold a 2013 Honda Fit and a 2013 Prius Vagon last year for $10k each. Either would have been really good cars for you. My nostalgic wife remembers the Prius in particular as a great car. I enjoyed driving the Fit more, but I am partial to small cars. They are both REALLY good cars.
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Re: I have a Leaf, so now what?

Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:30 am

SageBrush wrote:I sold a 2013 Honda Fit and a 2013 Prius Vagon last year for $10k each. Either would have been really good cars for you. My nostalgic wife remembers the Prius in particular as a great car. I enjoyed driving the Fit more, but I am partial to small cars. They are both REALLY good cars.

Thanks! On paper, those would work ok. I may end up driving some 30,000 miles per year. Even if I would get 60mpg in a regular Prius and only 40mpg in a Fit or Toyota Yaris that would mean I'd save about $750 per year or $62 per month in fuel, which would be an amount that could possibly be made up for with lower initial costs, especially when comparing new cars. And of course in reality it might be more like 45mpg vs 55mpg, which would be even less of a difference. But if I could find a cheap Prius and just need to change out the battery, that might be best bang for buck like you said. Although my wife would lean towards a Prius v as well.

But like I said, for me, if I get worse fuel mileage than in my 1985 diesel I'd feel like I'm going backwards. Plus I think I can pull off getting a Prius Prime. And that would also make me feel better about having a permanently installed EVSE on the side of my house; because I'd actually be able to use it. The Prime could be the best of both worlds with the Colorado and federal tax credits. Basically I could get a plug-in hybrid for the price of a small ICE car.

LeftieBiker wrote:You might also try crunching numbers on leasing a base<a class="interlinkr" href="http://www.mychevybolt.com/forum" target="_blank"> Bolt <span class="tip">Visit the Chevy Bolt EV</span></a>LT, because that car is the one - maybe the ONLY one - you would likely love driving in your terrain.</span>

Ya, I'd love a long range EV! Maybe I should just keep driving the Golf until I have the money for one. But that's probably a far fetched idea, mainly because I could very well be putting some 30,000 miles a year on the car. That probably would wreak havoc on my bill at the end of the lease. Plus the lease on a Bolt would be some $400 or more per month. That's the most I want to pay total for all car related expenses on average per month.

Basically I have to either pay cash for a vehicle or get really low payments. Then, if it gets 50mpg, that would be about $150 per month in fuel and hopefully $50 or so in insurance leaving me with $200 per month for maintenance and repairs. The Prime could be a little less in fuel since I would use the plug-in capability as much as possible, not to mention there are a lot of places I can charge free at. If I charge for free twice, then my 150 mile route would only be a 100 mile route as far as gasoline goes. As far as paying for the car, the good thing is I have that $7,000 from selling the Leaf that I have dedicated for buying my next car and I will hopefully soon be able to add to that what I sell the 1972 Bug for.
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Re: I have a Leaf, so now what?

Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:37 pm

The Prime is likely your best bet. Keep in mind though that no non plug-in Prius is going to give you 55-60MPG with your hills, so factor that in. We got 50-55MPG with a Prius II without killer hills. The lifetime average, over 5 years, for our PIP is 70MPG, again in mostly flat driving. That's about 80MPG in Summer and 55-60MPG in Winter.
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Re: I have a Leaf, so now what?

Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:50 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:The Prime is likely your best bet. Keep in mind though that no non plug-in Prius is going to give you 55-60MPG with your hills, so factor that in. We got 50-55MPG with a Prius II without killer hills. The lifetime average, over 5 years, for our PIP is 70MPG, again in mostly flat driving. That's about 80MPG in Summer and 55-60MPG in Winter.

Thanks! Wow! 70mpg to 80mpg is awesome!

Ya, the hills and cold will be killers. But I figure that since the Prime has a battery heater and I can add a block heater the cold shouldn't affect it too much. I also think that the bigger plug-in battery might help by sucking up more energy on the downhill grades. I always loved seeing the SOC go up on the Leaf as I went down hills. The only question is what RPMs and throttle level would be best for fuel efficiency going up hills. I might have to hold it back a bit, but with the cars I drive I'm used to that.
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Re: I have a Leaf, so now what?

Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:34 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:The Prime is likely your best bet. Keep in mind though that no non plug-in Prius is going to give you 55-60MPG with your hills, so factor that in. We got 50-55MPG with a Prius II without killer hills. The lifetime average, over 5 years, for our PIP is 70MPG, again in mostly flat driving. That's about 80MPG in Summer and 55-60MPG in Winter.

I live in Colorado and have no problem getting over 60 mpg in mountain driving in good weather in the Prime in hybrid mode. Most of my use was for 90 mile work commuting and twice monthly 250 drives each way to Albuquerque. Lifetime MPG is is 92 mpg over 15 months. The battery in the Prime in conjunction with overall amazing drivetrain efficiency surprises everybody who does not own the car. I reminded of the first couple years of the Prius back in 2004-5 when people would declare with utmost confidence that no car could ever average 50 mpg.

Bottom line: an efficient driver like me in Colorado in decent weather gets ~ 35 miles per 6.2 - 6.5 kWh metered charge and then about 65 mpg in hybrid mode.
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Re: I have a Leaf, so now what?

Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:23 pm

Keep in mind though that no non plug-in Prius is going to give you 55-60MPG with your hills, so factor that in.
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