DesertSprings
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My Experience: 2018 Leaf vs 2017 Bolt

Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:38 pm

Just finished a test drive of a 2018 Nissan Leaf SV. I was told it was car #3 of the 6 that are street legal in the US. I also purchased a 2017 Chevy Bolt LT last week and have spent a number of hours driving it. I'm a current owner of a 2015 Leaf which I have to return in a few weeks (already did the end of lease inspection). He was unable to provide any guidance on when the 2018's would be available in the US, saying the big Detroit Auto Show is were that is likely to be announced.

I found myself liking the 2018 Leaf a lot more than I thought I would. It is no secret that I feel for my driving habits I need the larger driving range the Bolt offers, but after driving the 2018 I've got to say if it was actually available to drive I'd need to rethink that decision.

Things I like with the Leaf vs the Bolt:
- Bigger. Wider. Bigger trunk.
- Softer ride
- Nicer fit and finish. It just feels like a higher grade car.
- Sunglasses holder
- I liked pro-pilot. The Bolt gets close, but the lack of adaptive cruise control in the Bolt is really unfortunate. We tried it out in some bumper to bumper traffic on the 91 and it worked great. I drive in rush hour traffic a lot and was shocked at how well Propilot dealt with it.
- CHAdeMO. At least around here, there's a lot more CHAdeMO chargers around, with most evGo locations having 2 vs 1 CCS.
- The price. SV with Pro Pilot is less and a Bolt LT.

Things I like in the Bolt vs the Leaf.
- Bigger dash screen. Really handy for Waze navigation with Android Auto. I was surprised that the 2018 SV still had such a small screen.
- The one pedal driving felt better on the Bolt in L mode than it did on the Leaf. This is totally subjective though.
- The range. The range on the Bolt has been really life changing for me. No more need to keep a second ICE for weekend driving, no more having to plan my routes in advance (for my typical drives) or having a trip ruined because I forgot to plug in Friday night. The Leaf is a step in the right direction and probably more than enough for most people who don't drive all over the IE, OC, and LA counties on weekends.
- TMS. I have been checking the Bolt boards, and it seems after a year no one is seeing any capacity losses.

If the 2018 Leaf offered a 60kW battery, it would be a no brainer for me and I'd just drive around my old ICE until they were available, but it sounds like it won't be until next summer or later until that will be available. I'm not willing to do that for a 150 mile 2018 Leaf.

jjeff
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Re: My Experience: 2018 Leaf vs 2017 Bolt

Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:45 pm

"+'s of Leaf"
"Bigger Wider Trunk"
Wow, lack of storage is one of my biggest complaints of my Leaf, no way I'd want a Bolt!
"softer ride"
Yes I do like the ride of my Leaf, I'd imagine the Bolt to be sporty aka hard ride, something I'd not care for.
I also like the fit/finish of my Leaf and you can't argue with that handy sunglasses cubby!

"+'s of Bolt"
"Bigger display"
Yes it can never be too big, you should see the size of the tiny screen on my S :cry:
"one pedal driving"
I'd really like that, one reason I never take my Leaf out of ECO/B mode, I'd prefer even stronger regen than my Leaf.
"longer range"
I'd also like that!
"TMS"
While this probably doesn't affect me as much as you, I'd still prefer something better than what Nissan does, which is basically nothing :cry:


While I applaud Chevy, coming from a Leaf I just don't think I'd be satisfied with a Bolt, range aside.
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
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GerryAZ
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Re: My Experience: 2018 Leaf vs 2017 Bolt

Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:27 pm

I had a chance to sit In a Bolt at the car show this past weekend. The driver seat ergonomics do not work for me and it seems like a small car. There is a big black thing between the rear view mirror and the windshield which I assume is part of the driver assist stuff. It interferes with my view of the road far ahead and I personally do not trust the extra electronics so I would not consider a Bolt unless the top of the line model is available without that package.

I also saw a 2018 LEAF from the outside (it was not open or accessible). The exterior styling looked better to me in real life than in photos. The photos of the analog dash looked better than I expected, but I would still miss the digital speedometer mounted high on the dash of the existing LEAFs.
Gerry
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GetOffYourGas
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Re: My Experience: 2018 Leaf vs 2017 Bolt

Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:18 am

As a Leaf -> Bolt convert, I can't really argue with your list. There are elements which I disagree with, but they are all subjective.

For example:
  • The CHAdeMO advantage over CCS is really small around me, and shrinking fast. Within a year, the 3 remaining CHAdeMO-only chargers will be replaced with dual-standard ones making the charging standard an absolute wash.
  • I personally prefer a sporty drive to a luxury one, so that's actually a plus for the Bolt in my book
  • I don't get the fit/finish complaints about the Bolt. It seems a step up from my 2012 Leaf, but from pictures I can see how the 2018 Leaf leapfrogs it. Not really a big deal either way - both are logical and functional, which I cannot say is true for the Tesla Model 3.
  • Sunglasses holder is a useless waste of real-estate for me. I would rather have unused roof space for the possibility of an aftermarket sunroof. I wish that these cars came with an option for a factory-installed sunroof.
~Brian

EV Fleet:
2011 Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard on a 22' sailboat
2012 Leaf SV (traded for Bolt)
2015 C-Max Energi (302A package)
2017 Bolt Premier

nerk
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Re: My Experience: 2018 Leaf vs 2017 Bolt

Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:27 am

Maybe topic for a different thread...

How about compared to the VW e-golf... :?

This is the current predicament I'm in right now... have a deposit set and waiting on delivery for both,...

But I have a feeling I'll pick the first one I can get my hands on...

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Re: My Experience: 2018 Leaf vs 2017 Bolt

Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:46 am

I really loved my eGolf SEL but I have aurthitus in my left hip. The Golf was hard to get into and out of. My B250E sits high like a SUV so I have no problem with it.

For most people this is a non issue. Both cars have enough range for me but most 2018 cars have a bigger battery for increased range. For my B this is the last year but I am good with the range. My totaled leased B had 14 months left and 9023 miles so as a retired person I do not drive much.
2012 Cayenne Red SL traded for:
2013 Pearl White SL Premium
Traded for a Cirrus White 2014 Mercedes B (totaled)
2016 Urano Gray eGolf SEL w/ drive assist
Loved the VW but it sat too low for my old body
Back to a Cirrus White 2017 B250E

LeftieBiker
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Re: My Experience: 2018 Leaf vs 2017 Bolt

Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:06 pm

I wish that these cars came with an option for a factory-installed sunroof.


The Kia Soul has a panoramic sunroof available, if 93 miles of range is enough for you. I'll be driving one this weekend. The lease deals on them are fantastic now. As in a loaded (no sunroof for me, though) Soul for $147-$183 a month with $2k down and $18k in incentives.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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GetOffYourGas
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Re: My Experience: 2018 Leaf vs 2017 Bolt

Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:39 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
I wish that these cars came with an option for a factory-installed sunroof.


The Kia Soul has a panoramic sunroof available, if 93 miles of range is enough for you. I'll be driving one this weekend. The lease deals on them are fantastic now. As in a loaded (no sunroof for me, though) Soul for $147-$183 a month with $2k down and $18k in incentives.


That is a great deal. But with only 93 miles of range, it just wouldn't be enough to warrant an upgrade. So now I'm driving a Bolt all over the Northeast (went almost 700 miles over the Thanksgiving holiday in it, enabled by DCFC in Albany, NY and Vermont).
~Brian

EV Fleet:
2011 Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard on a 22' sailboat
2012 Leaf SV (traded for Bolt)
2015 C-Max Energi (302A package)
2017 Bolt Premier

ahagge
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Re: My Experience: 2018 Leaf vs 2017 Bolt

Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:47 pm

Thanks for taking the time to write this up - as you can see, it's spurred a lively discussion. Yours is the first I've heard from anyone getting "seat time" in the new-gen LEAF. I'm glad to hear that it's a step up and in the right direction. But you're right - the lack of a battery thermal management system will continue to be the LEAF's Achilles heel until they implement one. And the main reason why I won't be getting another LEAF (well, that and the abysmal HVAC system). :roll:

I have a Tesla Model 3 on order, hopefully due in Q1 '18. It'll likely replace my wife's gasser and I'll keep our current (2011) LEAF until the wheels fall off - or the battery gets down to 8 bars again.

Enjoy your Bolt - I've heard lots of good things about it!
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Orig. battery lost 4th bar at 177 GIDs, 43.19 AHr, 44.74 Hx, 65% SOH after 45 months

alozzy
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Re: My Experience: 2018 Leaf vs 2017 Bolt

Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:48 pm

I realize it's mostly sour grapes, but there's got to be some truth to Tesla having major quality control issues:

http://business.financialpost.com/trans ... orkers-say

Would give me pause about an M3, not that I can afford one :-)
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