ebeighe
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heat when plugged in and fully charged

Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:38 am

confused:
I fully charged my leaf;
I went out to the car and while still plugged in turned car on.
I turned on the heat. the fan blows (and radio works, etc) but no warmth comes out

once i unplug car to drive it, the heater fires up just fine.

is that the way it's supposed to work? I thought that was the idea to have it plugged in so i could 'preheat' car while still plugged in?

when the weather was warm, i did this (run the a/c while plugged in); but if i recall correctly it was never fully charged... and that worked for cooling as expected.

It's a (edit: 2017) model S (so no remote control). It's not particularly cold here, maybe low is high 30's F.

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I've never used the car's timers -- i'm sortof confused by them and in any event seem very limited function. I do use a timer in my charger.
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Re: heat when plugged in and fully charged

Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:52 am

Did you fully turn the car on to Ready mode? (car with arrows on the dash). You have to do that to turn on the climate control, if you just push the button without pressing the brake it will just go into aux mode and run the fan without running the heat.
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Re: heat when plugged in and fully charged

Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:03 am

Hit the timer override button (even if it is full), I believe the car has to be actively charging to get get the heat to work while plugged in.
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Re: heat when plugged in and fully charged

Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:51 pm

magico13 wrote:Did you fully turn the car on to Ready mode? (car with arrows on the dash). You have to do that to turn on the climate control, if you just push the button without pressing the brake it will just go into aux mode and run the fan without running the heat.


Unless the '13 - '17 models are different from the '11 - '12 models, surely you cannot get into Run mode while still plugged in (whether charging has been completed or not)?

As BrockWI says, the car has to be actively charging (or showing charge complete with 3 solid blue lights) for pre-heating to work.
If the 3 blue lights have already gone out, even though still plugged in, presumably it is too late for pre-heating. Haven't verified that, but it sounds logical.

Don't think the timer is a factor here (which OP hasn't used anyway) if the charging process has run its full course to 100% without the timer.

So the key appears to be: get the pre-heating done sooner.
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jjeff
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Re: heat when plugged in and fully charged

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:14 pm

BrockWI wrote:Hit the timer override button (even if it is full), I believe the car has to be actively charging to get get the heat to work while plugged in.

This and you also have to hold down the brake pedal and push the power button twice. Note this works on my '13, I haven't found a way to do this on my '12 and no you can never get the ready light ON when plugged in, on any Leaf.
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ebeighe
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Re: heat when plugged in and fully charged

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:47 pm

jjeff wrote:
BrockWI wrote:Hit the timer override button (even if it is full), I believe the car has to be actively charging to get get the heat to work while plugged in.

This and you also have to hold down the brake pedal and push the power button twice. Note this works on my '13, I haven't found a way to do this on my '12 and no you can never get the ready light ON when plugged in, on any Leaf.


hey thanks for all the suggestions.

(mine's a 2017S in case that matters).
so i've got a couple of thing to try next time... i don't often fully charge it, or really don't drive that much so it doesn't get charged very often... anyway next time i'll
1) try pressing the override button (and will that make the blue lights come on, i wonder?) and
2) turn on (maybe twice even?) with foot on brake (i can't exactly remember what i did the last time

When i had my difficulty: it had already finished fully charging, and the blue charging lights were already out. Looking back at my openevse data, it had apparently finished fully charging and balancing about 40 minutes before i tried to turn the heat on.
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jjeff
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Re: heat when plugged in and fully charged

Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:45 pm

ebeighe wrote:(mine's a 2017S in case that matters).
so i've got a couple of thing to try next time... i don't often fully charge it, or really don't drive that much so it doesn't get charged very often... anyway next time i'll
1) try pressing the override button (and will that make the blue lights come on, i wonder?) and
2) turn on (maybe twice even?) with foot on brake (i can't exactly remember what i did the last time

That should work, it does for my '13.
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Re: heat when plugged in and fully charged

Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:50 pm

I just did this on my 2013 S. It was plugged in and done charging. I hit the timer over ride button, it started to charge again. Then press the brake pedal and turn on (the same as you would normally do to drive off) and the turned heat on and it worked. I let it sit that way for 5 minutes before leaving and it was nice and warm (3F outside right now). The nice thing is I set it for re-circ so it heats up faster and since no one is in it that works fine.

I do use the "timer" function, if you don't and it just always charges once you plug it in, I would think just unplugging it from the car and plugging it back in would start the charge process as well.
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Re: heat when plugged in and fully charged

Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:27 pm

BrockWI wrote: Then press the brake pedal and turn on (the same as you would normally do to drive off) and the turned heat on and it worked.

I do use the "timer" function, if you don't and it just always charges once you plug it in, I would think just unplugging it from the car and plugging it back in would start the charge process as well.

It's possible you only have to push the power button once but both times I tried it only once, it didn't seem to heat. Then I'd push the power button a second time and a short while later I'd get heat, maybe I just didn't wait long enough after the first push. If you say it works for you, I have no reason to doubt you and will give pushing just once another try :)
I believe your correct on a Leaf without a timer programmed, you'd probably need to cycle the J1772 connector.
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Re: heat when plugged in and fully charged

Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:22 pm

I think two start pushes is the same as a start push with the brake pressed?

But yes it takes about 30 seconds before I notice it is getting warm. I use eco a lot and you can't switch to no-eco while plugged in. I should look at what the heater is pulling while in eco mode plugged in.
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