LeftieBiker
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Re: Winter has cut my love for my Leaf :(

Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:37 pm

Stanton wrote:
jake14mw wrote:I just completed my Level 2 Install, and it certainly helps make the car feel more capable. Now, on the weekend, when I take a longer morning trip, my car is useable again in a couple of hours.


Congrats: I really can't see long-term use of a Leaf without L2 charging.
Not only that, pre-heating with L1 is a losing battle (even L2 is on the edge).


I'm still using L-1. It works fine as long as you don't need to drive the car most of the time. I'm retired, so it's rarely an issue.
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Re: Winter has cut my love for my Leaf :(

Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:02 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Stanton wrote:
jake14mw wrote:I just completed my Level 2 Install, and it certainly helps make the car feel more capable. Now, on the weekend, when I take a longer morning trip, my car is useable again in a couple of hours.


Congrats: I really can't see long-term use of a Leaf without L2 charging.
Not only that, pre-heating with L1 is a losing battle (even L2 is on the edge).


I'm still using L-1. It works fine as long as you don't need to drive the car most of the time. I'm retired, so it's rarely an issue.

Also as you've said before, don't preheat for the full 1/2hr the Leaf would if you program in your leave time, better to only preheat for 5?? minutes to just take the edge off.
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Re: Winter has cut my love for my Leaf :(

Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:22 pm

Also as you've said before, don't preheat for the full 1/2hr the Leaf would if you program in your leave time, better to only preheat for 5?? minutes to just take the edge off.


Yup. I preheated (when I had remote access) for two to five minutes, which cost 2-5% charge. A 45F cabin feels fine when the outside air is frigid, and that's long enough to warm the seat(s) and steering wheel.
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Re: Winter has cut my love for my Leaf :(

Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:44 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Also as you've said before, don't preheat for the full 1/2hr the Leaf would if you program in your leave time, better to only preheat for 5?? minutes to just take the edge off.


Yup. I preheated (when I had remote access) for two to five minutes, which cost 2-5% charge. A 45F cabin feels fine when the outside air is frigid, and that's long enough to warm the seat(s) and steering wheel.

His use estimates imply a ~ 10 kW load. Can anybody confirm ?
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jjeff
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Re: Winter has cut my love for my Leaf :(

Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:14 pm

SageBrush wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:
Also as you've said before, don't preheat for the full 1/2hr the Leaf would if you program in your leave time, better to only preheat for 5?? minutes to just take the edge off.


Yup. I preheated (when I had remote access) for two to five minutes, which cost 2-5% charge. A 45F cabin feels fine when the outside air is frigid, and that's long enough to warm the seat(s) and steering wheel.

His use estimates imply a ~ 10 kW load. Can anybody confirm ?

On my '12SL that has such a screen, I often see 6kW(or more) being drawn by the accessories(not drive motor). After things warm up this drops but for the first 5 minutes it's a pretty constant 6kW draw. My air heated '13S has no such screen so I can't say what it's draw is :)
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Re: Winter has cut my love for my Leaf :(

Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:17 pm

The peak draw of the air heater in the 2015 is about the same as the hot water tank in the 2011, but the power draw of the air heater tapers rapidly (and the heat pump takes over) so it has much less impact on range. Also, the heat is almost instantaneous as opposed to waiting for the water to warm up.
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Re: Winter has cut my love for my Leaf :(

Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:11 am

GerryAZ wrote:The peak draw of the air heater in the 2015 is about the same as the hot water tank in the 2011, but the power draw of the air heater tapers rapidly (and the heat pump takes over) so it has much less impact on range. Also, the heat is almost instantaneous as opposed to waiting for the water to warm up.

Yes! This is why I love my 2013 Leaf SL. HEAT! I've had plenty of ICEV's and I don't miss warming them up for half an hour just to drive five miles across town in -40*F (-40*C) weather! The Leaf has a no-idling preheat capabilities, heated steering wheel, heated seats even in the back, nearly instant heat from the heaters, and a nice big windshield that works great for passive solar heating. The only thing I don't like about winter is the range.

But since I hate to idle, in an ICE vehicle I feel a whole lot more ICE to the point I wish the ICE would come mistake me for an illegal immigrant and deport me to some tropical country.
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