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Re: 60 miles daily roundtrip all year long

Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:42 pm

DuncanCunningham wrote:+1 to what 'RegGuheert' said
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Re: 60 miles daily roundtrip all year long

Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:36 pm

I have the same 60 mile round trip, and am also considering a used leaf (not sure if a 2015 would do it, leaning more toward 2016 with the larger battery), but in central Florida.

Hardly any elevation change to speak of, but we do get into the high teens-lower 20’s sometimes when I leave for work in the winter, and sometimes it’s in the low hundreds when I head home in the summer.
Definitely need to be able to use A/C or heater most of the year on both legs of the trip.

No chargers at work, but if I buy an EV I’d install an L2 at the house.

I do see 2018’s Leafs starting to trickle in to dealers!

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Re: 60 miles daily roundtrip all year long

Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:45 pm

A 30kwh Leaf in Florida is likely to end up with less capacity than a used 2015 24kwh car.
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Re: 60 miles daily roundtrip all year long

Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:22 pm

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:Forget it.

0 F weather will crush the Leaf's range, and reliably getting 60 miles on a charge in those conditions is a non-starter. Don't even worry about it; you can't do it. Not even close, so don't even bother trying to figure out how.


It's 60 miles ROUND TRIP with an L2 charger at work.

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Re: 60 miles daily roundtrip all year long

Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:24 pm

It's 60 miles ROUND TRIP with an L2 charger at work.


And no home charging. Read the first post.
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Re: 60 miles daily roundtrip all year long

Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:01 pm

If home charging is possible, but you'd just prefer to use the free power from work (and who wouldn't?), then you could try it, and if you find that you can't drive 60 miles on a charge in winter, then you're only out the cost of the power. Charging at home for 50% of the miles for 40% of the year, at 20k miles/year, would cost me about $300/year, where I live. Spending $3k extra on a newer Leaf, to save $300/year in power, would never break-even. Of course, a newer car is nicer than an older car, and if that $3k extra means that the Leaf lasts 2 more years before replacement, then it would be worth it.

If charging at home is not feasible (e.g. street parking; or apartment owner won't put in an outlet), then I'd be more conservative.

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Re: 60 miles daily roundtrip all year long

Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:58 pm

Let me put it this way. The 2011-2017 Leaf is a car designed for a normal daily commute of around 30 miles average. It will go farther, as much as double or more. But you don't want to be driving it to 1% to make it back home in the middle of nowhere. If you can charge every 30 miles any Leaf is probably going to work fine.
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Re: 60 miles daily roundtrip all year long

Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:42 am

Thank you very much guys for your quick and honest answers. It seems like I'm not going to make it with an older Leaf.
Someone asked me about the elevation. At home I have about 2200 feet, on top of the mountain I have 3220 feet and at work only 1100 feet.
From the top of the mountain to work I go downhill about 95% of the time and from top to home I go downhill 100%. The average speed is about 35-40 miles.
I was looking also for a 30kWh 2016 Leaf but I don't know how much it will really help me.
The 2018 Leaf looks nice but it's kind of expensive and I was reading lately a lot of good things about 2017 Hyundai Ioniq EV.
I will wait for 3 to 6 months to see how the prices will go with last 2 years models and I will make a decision. I will look at other manufacturers options too. It seems that from Nissan, only the new Leaf is going to really make it all year long.

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Re: 60 miles daily roundtrip all year long

Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:29 am

Costy wrote:Someone asked me about the elevation. At home I have about 2200 feet, on top of the mountain I have 3220 feet and at work only 1100 feet.
From the top of the mountain to work I go downhill about 95% of the time and from top to home I go downhill 100%. The average speed is about 35-40 miles.
That profile really is quite ideal if you are charging at work IF THE REGEN IS WORKING. The reason is that you will deplete the battery significantly before you start downhill. You probably want AT LEAST 20 kW of regen available, if you have more available, like maybe 30 kW, then you can do more than hold your speed on the downhills: you can slow the car for the turns, too.
Costy wrote:I was looking also for a 30kWh 2016 Leaf but I don't know how much it will really help me.
As LeftieBiker said above, the batteries in the 30-kWh LEAFs are degrading faster than those in the 24-kWh LEAFs, so the regen problem is likely to arise fairly quickly. The good news about the 30-kWh LEAFs is that they are warranted for capacity loss for 8 years or 100,000 miles, which means you are likely to get a new battery in there along the way (or maybe even two!).
Costy wrote:The 2018 Leaf looks nice but it's kind of expensive and I was reading lately a lot of good things about 2017 Hyundai Ioniq EV.
There's a fairly long thread on the Hyundai Ioniq on this forum, in case you are interested. Some of the LEAF owners here bought that when it came out. I remember the comments were fairly positive. I don't know about its regen capabilities, though.
Costy wrote:I will wait for 3 to 6 months to see how the prices will go with last 2 years models and I will make a decision. I will look at other manufacturers options too. It seems that from Nissan, only the new Leaf is going to really make it all year long.
Actually, given the elevation profiles you have ANY LEAF will work well WHEN NEW or WITH A NEW BATTERY. The main issue is with the loss of regen as they get older. That's a double whammy since it eats your brakes AND takes away your chance to recover energy downhill, which greatly hurts the efficiency in the cold (which is already worse than in the warm).

BTW, if you wait 3 to 6 months, you will be testing your car in warm weather. I recommend that you instead test drive whatever car you are looking at ON YOUR WORK ROUTE IN COLD OR VERY COLD WEATHER. That's when efficiency and regen are the worst in any EV. Only then will you really know if the car is going to work for you. For instance, I'm confident that my MY2011 LEAF with its three-bar-degraded battery will work quite well on your commute, regen and all, in temperatures above about 70F.
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Re: 60 miles daily roundtrip all year long

Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:23 pm

@Costy Where are you located? Climate makes a big difference on battery degradation, so no one can give you accurate advice without knowing where you live.

Also, the EV trip planner is useful for ESTIMATING the energy use for your route:

https://www.evtripplanner.com/planner/2-8/

Use the "Nissan LEAF (Beta)" profile with the following settings:

Fill in the starting point (A) and destination point (B), then:

Speed multiplier: 1.0
Cabin Temp: 72
Ext Temp: 25
Payload: 200
Wind: 0
Initial Charge: 100
Buffer Charge: 10

Click the Route Direct button, then look at the "Total Energy Used" value

Post back on this thread what that value is.

BTW, if you get yourself an L2 EVSE for home use then you shouldn't have any problems doing this commute in a 2013/2014 SV with a healthy battery. Longer term, your climate is going to dictate whether you can continue to do that commute as battery degradation rate is almost entirely dictated by how hot your summers are (provided you don't otherwise do abusive charging cycles).
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