Evoforce
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Location: Fountain Hills Arizona

Re: Seven year report, 2011 LEAF.

Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:45 pm

alozzy wrote:Take a look at a 2017 Hyundai IONIQ, if I could afford a new EV that's what I would buy.

For some reason, sales haven't exactly been stellar, so you can probably get a great deal from a Hyundai dealer that's had the car sitting on their lot for months.

Every review I've seen or read on the IONIQ has been favorable, in particular the Regen system gets rave reviews and the drag coefficient is super low, meaning great range at highway speeds.


The Ioniq has battery cooling design flaws for hotter climates. While it has a stellar battery warranty, it is not transferable.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

Cinnabar
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Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:19 am
Delivery Date: 07 May 2011
Leaf Number: 001693
Location: New Almaden, CA

Re: Seven year report, 2011 LEAF.

Mon May 07, 2018 4:11 pm

My anniversary of delivery. I have 78k miles and it's going strong. i got lucky and slipped into the replacement battery just before Nissan decided to mess with other early adaptors and had an 80/20 cost share.

Given my luck with the battery replacement (and the seat extenders I bought shortly after taking delivery) I've been very happy with this car. I still have 12 bars on the new battery, nothing other the the 12V battery has failed (new tires from Costco and new wiper blades). It's been a low cost car to operate and I still use it for 95% of my driving.

I was pleased that Nissan did the right thing by me and others given the battery degradation, but also feel the let a lot of people down. Until they add an active thermal management system, I can't see me buying another LEAF.

edatoakrun
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Leaf Number: 2184
Location: Shasta County, North California

Re: Seven year report, 2011 LEAF.

Mon May 07, 2018 4:48 pm

Got Home from a ~761 (corrected) mile trip to San Francisco and lake Tahoe Saturday, driving my ~60k mile, ~7 year old (see post #1) LEAF.

I've been waiting to drive my LEAF on this trip since delivery day, and:

...The good news is that finally having a few fairly reliable charge sites both locally and on routes south, I can make most extended trips far more quickly and easily now with a seven-year-old pack, than I could when my LEAF was new...

A replacement for my factory pack would have been very handy for the first and last ~200 miles, but once I was on the 1-80 and I-50 corridors (where there is now probably about one DC charger installed per each 1,000 gas pumps!) my LEAF's ~20% range reduction from delivery doesn't matter too much.

Disappointingly, entering the eighth nearly-as-hot-as-hell North Valley Summer, my LEAF still hasn't lost its ninth capacity bar, displaying (erroneously) 42.09 AH (63.53%) when I left, and 42.80 AH (64.60%) on return.

RE thermal management on this trip, my main problem was keeping the pack temperature high enough to maximize capacity...
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mxp
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Re: Seven year report, 2011 LEAF.

Tue May 08, 2018 12:40 am

I assume the DC chargers you used along your 860+ mile trip were not "free charging" right?
How much charging $$ did you spend total? Just trying to figure out if the Leaf is economical on trips where multiple changing sessions are needed along the way.

I haven't charged DC in a while until last week due to an emergency. I used an eVgo station and it costs $4 for a 20 min quick charge. Ouch!

edatoakrun wrote:Got Home from a 860+ mile trip to San Francisco and lake Tahoe Saturday, driving my ~60k mile, ~7 year old (see post #1) LEAF.

I've been waiting to drive my LEAF on this trip since delivery day, and:

...The good news is that finally having a few fairly reliable charge sites both locally and on routes south, I can make most extended trips far more quickly and easily now with a seven-year-old pack, than I could when my LEAF was new...

A replacement for my factory pack would have been very handy for the first and last ~200 miles, but once I was on the 1-80 and I-50 corridors (where there is now probably about one DC charger installed per each 1,000 gas pumps!) my LEAF's ~20% range reduction from delivery doesn't matter too much.

Disappointingly, entering the eighth nearly-as-hot-as-hell North Valley Summer, my LEAF still hasn't lost its ninth capacity bar, displaying (erroneously) 42.09 AH (63.53%) when I left, and 42.80 AH (64.60%) on return.

RE thermal management on this trip, my main problem was keeping the pack temperature high enough to maximize capacity...

cwerdna
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Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: Seven year report, 2011 LEAF.

Tue May 08, 2018 12:46 am

mxp wrote:I haven't charged DC in a while until last week due to an emergency. I used an eVgo station and it costs $4 for a 20 min quick charge. Ouch!

That's a LOT better than EVgo's previous pricing. Prior to the recent price decrease (amazing!), for CHAdeMO charging without paying a monthly fee that requires a 1 year commitment, it was $4.95 to START a session + 20 cents/minute, so that 20 minute session would've been $8.95.

This coupled w/Blink's crazy pricing is why I didn't want to pay $1K to $1.5K extra for a used Leaf w/CHAdeMO when I was in the market for a used '13 SV. I've written about this numerous times on MNL and elsewhere.

'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Seven year report, 2011 LEAF.

Tue May 08, 2018 3:10 am

Coincidence: I just last evening parked at the nearest EVGo station for my first-ever (and free!) QC session. My delight was short-lived, however, as the station informed me that "Your card is blocked." When I emailed their support about it, I got this response:

"My guess is that when you enrolled and requested a card, you didn’t register the card that was given to you. So you have no active card on your account. If you log in to your account you can activate the card you have."

Nope.
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DarthPuppy
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Re: Seven year report, 2011 LEAF.

Tue May 08, 2018 6:38 pm

mxp wrote:I used an eVgo station and it costs $4 for a 20 min quick charge. Ouch!


Not necessarily ouch. How many miles did that $4 add? If it was north of about 40, then your cost per mile is roughly equal to or less than an econo car on gas give California gas prices. I'm guessing 20 min on a quick charge would be about 40 miles, but it's been a while since I did one of those so I may be a bit off.
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edatoakrun
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Delivery Date: 15 May 2011
Leaf Number: 2184
Location: Shasta County, North California

Re: Seven year report, 2011 LEAF.

Tue May 08, 2018 7:07 pm

mxp wrote:I assume the DC chargers you used along your 860+ mile trip were not "free charging" right?
How much charging $$ did you spend total? ...

Sorry, the trip was was 761 miles, by odometer, which is very close to correct.

Drive the Arc app is still free for CHAdeMO, and I used it six times for ~five to ~twelve kWh charges, on I-80 to SF, then Sacramento, I-50 to South lake tahoe, Hwys 89 and 40 over Donner pass, then hwy 20 back to the Valley. Two more DC charges appeared to be free, due to a charger malfunction.

https://drivethearc.com/

I spent ~ $18 for DC for three charges over during the first and last days of driving, and also used L2 EVSEs for about three hours total.

Could have skipped all of the L2 time if my pack wasn't so old...
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DarthPuppy
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Re: Seven year report, 2011 LEAF.

Tue May 08, 2018 10:47 pm

I salute your dedication in undertaking such a long trip with a Leaf. You have more patience than I do.
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opencar
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Re: Seven year report, 2011 LEAF.

Wed May 09, 2018 4:42 am

Cinnabar wrote:My anniversary of delivery. I have 78k miles and it's going strong. i got lucky and slipped into the replacement battery just before Nissan decided to mess with other early adaptors and had an 80/20 cost share.

Given my luck with the battery replacement (and the seat extenders I bought shortly after taking delivery) I've been very happy with this car. I still have 12 bars on the new battery, nothing other the the 12V battery has failed (new tires from Costco and new wiper blades). It's been a low cost car to operate and I still use it for 95% of my driving.

I was pleased that Nissan did the right thing by me and others given the battery degradation, but also feel the let a lot of people down. Until they add an active thermal management system, I can't see me buying another LEAF.


Glad to see fellow original owners that still have their 2011s. i'm in the same situation as you w/ 78K mi. and using the Lizard replacement. Also still happy with the car's reliability and around-town utility. Despite all the dissapointment surrounding the lame battery longevity, I credit the LEAF with getting me excited about the technology and leading me to buy the Model 3 for my long distance road trips.
1st bar- 22K, 27mo, Ah=55.29
2nd- 33K, 37mo, Ah=51.54
3rd- 41K, 46mo, Ah=47.47
4th- 49K, 53mo, Ah=43.28
Warranty Lizard- 50K, Oct'15
Jun'16- 56K, Ah=66.14
Aug'17- 70K, 22mo, Ah=59.9
Aug'18- 79K, 36mo, Ah=56.4

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