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2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:12 pm

Hi Everyone,

It's been a year+ since we've had our 2011 LEAF. Really miss it & would love an EV replacement. Forgive me as I haven't been in the loop re EVs for awhile!

2018 Tesla Model 3, Nissan LEAF, BMW I3 or Chevy BOLT? Trying to consider all these vehicles' pros & cons for our needs below:

Definitely love hatches after our Prius & 2011 LEAF; A 5-seater that'll handle multi-family Costco shopping & a big family dog would be perfect; Not too long to fit city parking spots; Not needed on a daily basis, but longer range & TMS would be awesome so we could take this car everywhere


Last week we got our invite to order the Tesla Model 3. Saw it this past weekend & was disappointed that it wasn't a hatchback & that reviews aren't as high as hoping. So it isn't quite as utilitarian as our LEAF was nor maybe luxurious enough to warrant $50k+. Maintenance costs of a Tesla? Love the tech & battery pack tho.

Was thinking a 2019 or 2020 LEAF w/a longer range and TMS would be great. But Nissan is offering a temporary $3k purchase incentive off of their 2018 LEAF MSRP for PG&E customers. Only saw the 2018 at the Sunnyvale CA Nissan Research Center awhile back, but haven't driven it. Still have 2 year charging program?

BMW is offering similar for their I3, but $10k off. Previously test drove older models. Not crazy for the suicide doors & small trunk space.

Test drove the BOLT very briefly, but they've been leasing/selling like hotcakes. Missed out on their low-cost leases Fall 2017. Smaller than LEAF has it pluses and minuses. Like the EV range.


Would love to hear feedback from current owners/lessees & this forums' EV members!

Thanks very much in advance for your help!

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:23 pm

What are your range needs?
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:56 pm

Actually, lucky enough not to need daily commute. Just for taking extended family grocery shopping or for beach/county park outings for hikes (preferably w/big dog in tow) and not having to worry about range. We had the 2011 LEAF, so the 2018 is an improvement. The BOLT's & Model 3's range & TMS seem to future proof a little.

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:12 pm

I do take a wheelchair regularly, so if the LEAF hatch is the same, will love that. Much points to the LEAF, but the 2019/2020 sounds more future-proofing.

We still have the 2011 Blink EVSE on our wall! Not sure if it'll still work/work for newer EVs, but it didn't fail us for almost 6 yrs.

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:22 pm

It sounds like you can live with the expected battery degradation without having the car lose usefulness, so I suggest the Leaf. The hatch is very similar, with a tad more room in the cargo area, mainly because of slimmer strut tower covers.
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:17 pm

Thanks LeftieBiker. Will test drive.

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:46 am

1) Used Tesla Model S 85 because price of a 2012-14 is about the same. the range should be around 250-256 miles, great charging
infrastructure, and a large hatchback. great safety rating, Usually, great customer service, free supercharging. liquid TMS, battery life likely
more than 25 years, aluminum body, possibly no sales tax. Possible cons; shorter warranty if an extended warranty not available. Tesla
does not make it easy to work on your own car. Longer body shop repairs, no tax credit on used.

2) Tesla Model 3 LR because 310 miles and great charging infrastructure, generally great customer service, new warranty,perceived low
depreciation, great safety rating, liquid TMS, battery life likely more than 25 years, tax credit. Possible cons; no hatchback, pay
supercharging. Tesla does not make it easy to work on your own car. Parts availability if needed?

3) Chevy Bolt because 238 miles range, hatchback, can use Tesla Destination Chargers with adapter, expect good parts and manuals for
future, liquid TMS. Possible cons; scant current fast charging infrastructure, slower to fast charge than Tesla, away from home charging at
Evgo is almost gas prices. Some say seats not as comfortable.

4) Nissan Leaf 2018 because 150 miles range, hatchback, free fast and slow charging at dealers if equipped, updated body style, tax credit,
generally well made car, new warranty, expect parts and manuals, good service. Possible cons; no liquid TMS, battery life likely much less
than 10 years, scant fast charging infrastructure, throttling of fast charging that diminishes use for long range, use of Evgo is close to gas
prices,

I picked these as examples because they are the longer range vehicles currently offered in the US nationwide. There can be more pro's and con's but i'm tired of typing. BMW I3 doesn't fit in IMO because of shorter range and styling. Good luck!
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*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:31 am

Evoforce wrote:1) Used Tesla Model S 85 because price of a 2012-14 is about the same.

Wow! Would that be comparable taking into consideration federal and state tax credits and where would I be able to find one?
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:33 am

Use that Tesla reservation on a Model 3 SR. $37k before tax credits
That is my plan :-)

If I did not despise GM and my locale had CCS I would think about the Bolt for the right price.

I'm sorry to lose my hatchback too.
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:46 am

IssacZachary wrote:
Evoforce wrote:1) Used Tesla Model S 85 because price of a 2012-14 is about the same.

Wow! Would that be comparable taking into consideration federal and state tax credits and where would I be able to find one?

Plenty of the 2012-13 S 85 selling in the low 40s and S 60 in the 30s. Start shopping for one if you are truly interested and PM me. Private party sales mostly. (google) I can scrounge up some links if you are serious. Have you priced a New BMW I3 that has less range than the cars that I mentioned? OP did say I3 was in the running for him.
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*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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