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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:07 pm

alozzy wrote:You might want to wait until year end, when the Kia Kona BEV should be available:

https://www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/kona-electric

Will it actually be more than vaporware? I've ignored and been very skeptical about all the recent Kona Electric hype since the Ioniq electric is basically US vaporware outside So Cal. Co-worker looked into it recently and was essentially given the answer: So Cal only. Look at the puny sales at https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/. It's near the bottom of the 2018 and 2017 charts. It supposedly started shipping in March 2017 and remains elusive.

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:47 pm

"Vaporware" is a product that doesn't exist except in advertising pitches and brochures. You need a word that may not yet exist. Maybe "Else-ware."
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:24 pm

The Kona EV might be a compliance car, but I doubt it. At the very least, I would think it will be available in other ZEV states (Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont) and probably some Canadian markets too.

Hopefully, if sales go well in those markets, Hyundai will make the Kona/Niro available elsewhere too.

This also seems to suggest they are not treating it as a compliance car:

https://electrek.co/2018/03/14/hyundai- ... rformance/
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:37 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:"Vaporware" is a product that doesn't exist except in advertising pitches and brochures. You need a word that may not yet exist. Maybe "Else-ware."

LOL! I should've said something like virtually vaporware.
alozzy wrote:The Kona EV might be a compliance car, but I doubt it. At the very least, I would think it will be available in other ZEV states (Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont) and probably some Canadian markets too.

How's Hyundai doing w/the Ioniq EV in those CARB emission states? :) AFAIK, it's not attainable even in Nor Cal.

Did you look at those US sales numbers?

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:35 am

The Kona is a crossover and, to my mind, has better styling than the IONIQ, so hopefully it does better sales.
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:49 am

alozzy wrote:The Kona is a crossover and, to my mind, has better styling than the IONIQ, so hopefully it does better sales.


I still think that nose makes it look like a blind cave fish, or maybe a skink.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skink
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Thu May 03, 2018 6:29 am

Not sure if it was mentioned or not...

But I'd consider the e-golf in your research, if you can get your hands on one...

It was a very close toss up between the 2018 leaf and e-golf for me, the bolt and i3 were too expensive and too small. I'd probably consider spending the extra buck on the model 3, if they made a hatch version and get AWD...

The Bolt doesn't even have adaptive cruise, the e-golf you can actually set a state of charge to charge up to, has more regen modes, a nicer interior than the 2018 leaf. Don't get me wrong... I'm still very happy with the 2018 Leaf, just ignore all the flack around TMS and the RapidGate,... To me (pnad its a non-issue since I just use it for daily commuting to work and back...

I had a refundable deposit on both vehicles, in the end it came down to availability for me.... I put a deposit for the e-golf last August and a deposit on the 2018 on launch day back in September :D ... Got my Leaf delivered in March, still had no delivery estimate for the e-golf :x ...

Anyhow, that's my nickel's worth (pennies don't exist in Canada anymore, so I can't give 2 cents :lol: ) of thoughts on comparison...

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Thu May 03, 2018 10:32 am

There is no such thing as a 37K Tesla 3 and there may never be. Current 3's are fully loaded and they come to 57K. With a 10K tax credit that is still 47K, Ugh.

Personally I do not need a 9K extended battery. It is all academic since with my bad hip I can not get into an S or 3. I do fit the X but it is too much money for a car from a money losing company. I am not willing to worship the cult of Elon.
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Thu May 03, 2018 3:59 pm

I'd hold out for a Model 3. It's awesome! You'll be sad if you don't.

A REAL battery TMS for long range and Supercharging. A REAL network of functional DC fast charging. Expanding, too.

fun to drive. Supporting a REAL EV innovator and world changer. What's not to like?

Oh, wait, there is all the FUD out there. ignore that since the Model 3 is disrupting things EVERYWHERE. some don't get it. that's fine. lots of long-range EVs to choose from.
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Fri May 04, 2018 7:20 am

finman100 wrote:I'd hold out for a Model 3. It's awesome! You'll be sad if you don't.


The same could be said of a Porsche 911.

I'm enjoying owning a Leaf and expect to do so for years more. The Leaf has the room I need, fits the wheelchair my wife needs, has the range I need mostly. Wife's car is an ICE, and we do take it on longer day trips once every couple of months. We sometimes to take the Leaf, but usually in winter and requires two QC stops. The Leaf is likely to have that range for years into the future. A TMS wouldn't provide me with anything.

I expect that the Leaf will be cheaper to maintain than the T esla.

While I wish T elsa all the success, the company is high risk. The odds of T esla being around long term are not near certain.
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