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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Fri May 04, 2018 7:48 am

finman100 wrote:I'd hold out for a Model 3. It's awesome! You'll be sad if you don't.

A REAL battery TMS for long range and Supercharging. A REAL network of functional DC fast charging. Expanding, too.

fun to drive. Supporting a REAL EV innovator and world changer. What's not to like?

Oh, wait, there is all the FUD out there. ignore that since the Model 3 is disrupting things EVERYWHERE. some don't get it. that's fine. lots of long-range EVs to choose from.


Keep on dreaming.. Tesla will soon be out of business.

You will be "holding out" until the only thing with wheels you will need is a wheelchair.....

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Fri May 04, 2018 9:14 am

wow. just wow. how any sane person can come to these conclusions...wow. pretty much all wrong. but, like I said plenty of choices out there for long-range EVs with a robust and expanding fast charge network.

I love my Leaf! But something better is here whilst Nissan keeps putting batteries in a sealed box. Let's see how 2018 shakes out. Don't bet against Elon. Or maybe people are and THAT's why they're so scared. hmmmmm...

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Fri May 04, 2018 9:20 am

GlennD wrote:There is no such thing as a 37K Tesla 3 and there may never be.
Or, put alternately (and less negatively):

Tesla is not yet producing the base Model 3 for $37K. They do claim they will start to produce it later this year (*).

(*) Some people might point out the $57K S40 they took deposits on but never built. Instead, they eventually sold an S60 that was software limited to 40kWh for the lower price.
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Fri May 04, 2018 2:41 pm

powersurge wrote:
finman100 wrote:I'd hold out for a Model 3. It's awesome! You'll be sad if you don't.

A REAL battery TMS for long range and Supercharging. A REAL network of functional DC fast charging. Expanding, too.

fun to drive. Supporting a REAL EV innovator and world changer. What's not to like?

Oh, wait, there is all the FUD out there. ignore that since the Model 3 is disrupting things EVERYWHERE. some don't get it. that's fine. lots of long-range EVs to choose from.


Keep on dreaming.. Tesla will soon be out of business.

Aren't you the same troll that declared that Tesla would never produce a Model 3 ?
Guess which car is the top selling EV in the US these days -- by far.
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Tue May 08, 2018 8:58 pm

I am really interested in what the OP actually gets. I think the last post I saw was about the Clarity, which is not a hatchback and a big mistake I think. For something with as much room and more range than the old Leaf, I have seen new a Leaf S advertised for $25000 with $0 down + TTF, which might be sort of reasonable if you need something now and then see what else is available in 3 yrs. I can't believe I am saying that, I have never leased anything other than an apartment. The Kona sounds good, at least for you guys in CA, but I just read that Hyundai is basically out of battery packs for 2018.
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Tue May 08, 2018 10:24 pm

The Clarity is excellent except for the wheelchair needing the hatchback. Also, the OP indicate a desire for a smaller car for ease of in-city parking. The Clarity does not fit well in that regard. However, the longer length does provide for a nicer ride. And I suspect his family members will appreciate the roominess of the interior. But though it looks sorta like a hatchback, it isn't a real one so the cargo area is sharply limited.

I have to say it is nice to finally have a bunch of choices to pick from. A decade ago, there were none. 6 years ago, you had just Tesla, Leaf and Volt. Now there are many choices, especially if an older Leaf met his range needs.

One option I haven't heard mentioned yet but might be an excellent fit for the OP if he can still find one available - the Mercedes B. Last model year was 2017. Range should be fine for the OP's stated needs. Size seems good. Should be able to handle the wheelchair.
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Wed May 09, 2018 3:54 pm

WetEV wrote:
finman100 wrote:I'd hold out for a Model 3. It's awesome! You'll be sad if you don't.


The same could be said of a Porsche 911.

I'm enjoying owning a Leaf and expect to do so for years more. The Leaf has the room I need, fits the wheelchair my wife needs, has the range I need mostly. Wife's car is an ICE, and we do take it on longer day trips once every couple of months. We sometimes to take the Leaf, but usually in winter and requires two QC stops. The Leaf is likely to have that range for years into the future. A TMS wouldn't provide me with anything.

I expect that the Leaf will be cheaper to maintain than the T esla.

While I wish T elsa all the success, the company is high risk. The odds of T esla being around long term are not near certain.



Re Finman100 - There is a lot to admire & like re Tesla. This did jump out at us when we sat in the Model 3. Is it's design intentionally super sparse on the dash? Seems a little worrisome that so much of the controls are via the screen - what if something happens to it?

WetEV - Appreciate how the LEAF is almost the perfect fit for us too. I wish Nissan took advantage of their lead & heeded the suggestions of their early EV supporters. The vehicle looks pretty good now, is really functional, but needs consumers' confidence on the TMS. Range like the BOLT's would bring it all. I'm not bitter about the past as I signed on the dotted line re battery risks not covered. But it's about 7 yrs later... really hoping Nissan will put these features in the 2019, not 2020 or later!

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Wed May 09, 2018 4:00 pm

cwerdna wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:"Vaporware" is a product that doesn't exist except in advertising pitches and brochures. You need a word that may not yet exist. Maybe "Else-ware."

LOL! I should've said something like virtually vaporware.
alozzy wrote:The Kona EV might be a compliance car, but I doubt it. At the very least, I would think it will be available in other ZEV states (Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont) and probably some Canadian markets too.

How's Hyundai doing w/the Ioniq EV in those CARB emission states? :) AFAIK, it's not attainable even in Nor Cal.

Did you look at those US sales numbers?



Lol, love this forum! Vaporware, Else-Ware, Virtually-Vaporware :D

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Wed May 09, 2018 4:12 pm

DarthPuppy wrote:The Clarity is excellent except for the wheelchair needing the hatchback. Also, the OP indicate a desire for a smaller car for ease of in-city parking. The Clarity does not fit well in that regard. However, the longer length does provide for a nicer ride. And I suspect his family members will appreciate the roominess of the interior. But though it looks sorta like a hatchback, it isn't a real one so the cargo area is sharply limited.

I have to say it is nice to finally have a bunch of choices to pick from. A decade ago, there were none. 6 years ago, you had just Tesla, Leaf and Volt. Now there are many choices, especially if an older Leaf met his range needs.

One option I haven't heard mentioned yet but might be an excellent fit for the OP if he can still find one available - the Mercedes B. Last model year was 2017. Range should be fine for the OP's stated needs. Size seems good. Should be able to handle the wheelchair.



We considered a used RAV4EV & LEAF, but not the Mercedes B tho. Worried about issues on the RAV4EV as well as the Mercedes B. Any merit on those worries? Do people like their Mercedes B?

Haven't got to see the Clarity yet. From comments, it sounds pretty nice, but it might not be the utilitarian hatch we're seeking. Time is flying by. Lol, the good thing about that is that'll bring the end of the year closer and new EV models?! There was/will be an EV event in Sacramento, CA. Would there be one coming up in the Bay Area soon? Those are nice as various vehicles are available to check out sans sales pressure. :)

Definitely grateful too about the various EV choices.

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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Wed May 09, 2018 4:34 pm

nerk wrote:Not sure if it was mentioned or not...

But I'd consider the e-golf in your research, if you can get your hands on one...

It was a very close toss up between the 2018 leaf and e-golf for me, the bolt and i3 were too expensive and too small. I'd probably consider spending the extra buck on the model 3, if they made a hatch version and get AWD...

The Bolt doesn't even have adaptive cruise, the e-golf you can actually set a state of charge to charge up to, has more regen modes, a nicer interior than the 2018 leaf. Don't get me wrong... I'm still very happy with the 2018 Leaf, just ignore all the flack around TMS and the RapidGate,... To me (pnad its a non-issue since I just use it for daily commuting to work and back...

I had a refundable deposit on both vehicles, in the end it came down to availability for me.... I put a deposit for the e-golf last August and a deposit on the 2018 on launch day back in September :D ... Got my Leaf delivered in March, still had no delivery estimate for the e-golf :x ...

Anyhow, that's my nickel's worth (pennies don't exist in Canada anymore, so I can't give 2 cents :lol: ) of thoughts on comparison...



Thank you! Great points & agree. More than pennies & nickel's worth :D

Do we trust VW? Golf has a nicer interior than the 2018 LEAF?

We've only put a deposit w/Tesla. Did you request/receive your VW one already? Easy?

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