powersurge
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THINKING OF BUYING HONDA CLARITY PLUG-IN HYBRID

Mon May 14, 2018 8:17 am

I'm in New York, and drove the Honda Clarity Plug-in. I thought it was great.

Anyone have thoughts of jumping the "Leaf" ship for a Clarity? Like me....

Actually, I will keep my 15 Leaf. I was looking to add a 2018 Leaf, but got attracted to the 40 mile/ ALL ELECTRIC range of the Clarity.
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Re: THNKING OF BUYING HONDA CLARITY PLUG-IN HYBRID

Mon May 14, 2018 8:37 am

There is a Clarity Plug-in at work and it has issues with charging from L2 EVSEs. The same EVSE will work one day, and fail to charge the next (sometimes it won't charge at all, or it starts charging than abruptly stops after 5-10 minutes). The owner says it is much more likely to successfully charge after it has sat parked for a few hours. He's reported this to Honda and they imply they have a fix in the works for this problem.

Other than that, with the 10K combined state+fed rebates/credits here in MA, the Clarity seems like a steal since you are getting the near equivalent of the high-trim Accord for much less.

The downside is that it's still a hybrid, and a complicated hybrid at that.
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Re: THINKING OF BUYING HONDA CLARITY PLUG-IN HYBRID

Mon May 14, 2018 9:45 am

I drove it and I liked it. However, here in GA, we no longer have state incentives for EVs. I was quoted over $700/mo. for a 36 month/12,000 mile zero down lease and they didn't seem at all interested in haggling. Great car, though. I would definitely choose it over a LEAF, Bolt or Volt if the money works.
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Re: THINKING OF BUYING HONDA CLARITY PLUG-IN HYBRID

Mon May 14, 2018 5:09 pm

Powersurge: There are at least two MNL members who've bought Clarity PHEVs. You might want to ask in the Clarity topic, after reading from say here on: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=20651&start=210#p519521
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Re: THINKING OF BUYING HONDA CLARITY PLUG-IN HYBRID

Mon May 14, 2018 6:53 pm

We bought a Clarity in February. Now we have over 2000 miles. This week will be the second time will pump gas, for a longer 1000 miles round trip.

With the warm weather I have seem 54 miles EV range. That is the same but practically more than my 2011 Leaf.

I never had problems charging at home using the 7 year old Blink at 30A. The Blink has a new contactor and cable+connector.

I did see a charging error at a public Volta station. I changed station to another Volta and charged fine. The check "engine" light cleared it self in 24 hours. We probably charged 5-7 times at public stations.

As for complexity, it might be the simplest hybrid. Electric motor always connected to the wheels just like an EV. Generator always connected to the engine like a backup generator. A single clutch for engine to wheels like a regular ICE. All the electronics to control how and where power is going, but that is not the kind of complexity I am woried about.

We love it. But the 2011 Leaf gets more daily usage now than when we had two Leafs.
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Re: THINKING OF BUYING HONDA CLARITY PLUG-IN HYBRID

Mon May 14, 2018 7:52 pm

I was also interested in the 2018 Leaf, but switched to the Clarity PHEV. My commute was going to be challenging for the Leaf and that is without battery degradation happening. We still have and love my wife's 2013 Leaf. But the flexibility of the PHEV to drive most miles on EV and go as far as I need using gas is really nice. When we go somewhere that is in range of either, we take the Clarity as it is so much nicer.

I got my Clarity in mid February and now have 3,300 miles on it. Due to my commute, I've had to put in more gas than Camasleaf. I'm just over 31 gallons, so running just over 100 miles per gallon on my combined driving. However, this is still about 1/5th the amount of gas I used in my ICEV for that commute. If your commute fits within the 47 mile range, you can probably go without gas at all until you want to do a road trip. And even then, you will get good mpg.

The Clarity is very roomy and comfortable. Being larger than most other 'affordable' BEVs and PHEVs, it has a smoother ride, which is nice considering how bad our California roads are. The build quality seems excellent.

I do expect the Clarity will cost quite a bit more for maintenance. At 5 years and 35,000 miles, our Leaf has less than $300. But the Clarity will have all the usual ICEV requirements and costs. And the complexity of this did prompt me to go ahead and get the extended warranty where I didn't do that for the Leaf.

I haven't had any of JLV's problems with charging it. It has worked fine on my home's Scheider EVSE. Also, I've charged about half a dozen times at a couple places, mostly EVGO but there was one Blink. Haven't had any problems. I don't have data to indicate if I'm lucky or if JLV has an odd ball bad one.

If you go this route, be sure to check multiple dealers as pricing/attitude varies quite a bit. In So. Cal., there are some very high volume, deep discount Honda dealers who will compete for the sale.
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Re: THINKING OF BUYING HONDA CLARITY PLUG-IN HYBRID

Mon May 14, 2018 8:02 pm

camasleaf wrote:As for complexity, it might be the simplest hybrid.

https://www.wired.com/story/honda-clari ... owertrain/
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Re: THINKING OF BUYING HONDA CLARITY PLUG-IN HYBRID

Mon May 14, 2018 9:18 pm

jlv wrote:
camasleaf wrote:As for complexity, it might be the simplest hybrid.

https://www.wired.com/story/honda-clari ... owertrain/


Don't worry about all the buttons, just push the green button and drive.

When I said it is simplest I was thinking about some early hybrids that had three clutches. In my mind mechanicaly and electricaly the Clarity power drive makes most sense. Let the computers determine the optimum mode, or for fun try different modes.

What I did driving a long know road was to push and hold the HV button to charge the battery about 3 minutes before going uphill, and again just before the hill to stop the charging mode. The tought was to have electrons for the EV to help the ICE. I got 56 mpg on a 150 miles 65 mph trip starting battery empty. Not bad for a car this big. Same road oposite direction starting with the battery charged and doing 75 mph I got 72 mpg.
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Re: THINKING OF BUYING HONDA CLARITY PLUG-IN HYBRID

Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:49 pm

Joe6pack wrote:I drove it and I liked it. However, here in GA, we no longer have state incentives for EVs. I was quoted over $700/mo. for a 36 month/12,000 mile zero down lease and they didn't seem at all interested in haggling. Great car, though. I would definitely choose it over a LEAF, Bolt or Volt if the money works.



I too drove and liked the Clarity PHEV. Coming from a Ford Fusion Energi it would have been a good upgrade in range, but alas ran into the same issues with incentives from Honda here in VA. I.e none. If I just lived across the Potomac in MD they were giving $6000 in lease incentives which would have made it affordable. Due to this I ended up test driving the new Leaf and it met all my criteria so I ditched the Clarity and went for the Leaf.

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Re: THINKING OF BUYING HONDA CLARITY PLUG-IN HYBRID

Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:29 pm

Congrats on the new Leaf. I believe both are excellent choices. Sorry to hear that in your location the extra financial incentives weren't there for the Clarity. But both cars should work well.
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