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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:32 pm

@SageBrush One can dream :P
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:23 am

alozzy wrote:@SageBrush One can dream :P

Absolutely. Dreaming is awesome. And free.

But it is rarely something to use for money decisions.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:15 am

tattoogunman wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:Shouldn't be any Tesla's other than roadsters off warranty yet. iirc, they all came with 8 year/unlimited miles and the oldest S is still over a year away from being 8


Right, but the early S models are close and there are plenty of people with brand new cars having their packs replaced. I'm just trying to point out that Tesla's batteries are not exempt from problems either (although their packs are arguably better than Nissan) since people seem to think they have zero problems.


Well there have been several packs replaced for unknown reasons. I know someone who had Tesla replace theirs without giving them a reason as to why other than they "detected something not good"...

We do hear about famous packs that go 200,000 miles with 10% degradation but I know two people seeing the same 10% and both are under 100,000 miles. So TMS isn't the fixall many seem to think it is. Sure it helps but batteries degrade so there is room for an aftermarket if they can create a "plug and play" system that can spoof the various BMS they have to deal with.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:15 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
tattoogunman wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:Shouldn't be any Tesla's other than roadsters off warranty yet. iirc, they all came with 8 year/unlimited miles and the oldest S is still over a year away from being 8


Right, but the early S models are close and there are plenty of people with brand new cars having their packs replaced. I'm just trying to point out that Tesla's batteries are not exempt from problems either (although their packs are arguably better than Nissan) since people seem to think they have zero problems.


Well there have been several packs replaced for unknown reasons. I know someone who had Tesla replace theirs without giving them a reason as to why other than they "detected something not good"...

We do hear about famous packs that go 200,000 miles with 10% degradation but I know two people seeing the same 10% and both are under 100,000 miles. So TMS isn't the fixall many seem to think it is. Sure it helps but batteries degrade so there is room for an aftermarket if they can create a "plug and play" system that can spoof the various BMS they have to deal with.


Agreed - brought home my new to me 2015 S today ;)

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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:56 pm

tattoogunman wrote:Agreed - brought home my new to me 2015 S today ;)


Congrats! I hope you really enjoy it. I've certainly been enjoying mine!
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:57 pm

Lothsahn wrote:
tattoogunman wrote:Agreed - brought home my new to me 2015 S today ;)


Congrats! I hope you really enjoy it. I've certainly been enjoying mine!


Thank you!

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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:27 am

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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:21 pm

SageBrush wrote:
alozzy wrote:Part of my decision making, when purchasing my used 2013 SV, was an assumption that an after market battery pack market would arise. It's nice to see the beginnings of just that and I hopeful that by the time I need to replace my LEAF's pack, there will be an affordable option available.

I'll be surprised if it happens at all, let alone be affordable:

The USA market is tiny;
The Swap itself complicated and expensive;
The car heavily depreciated;
And Nissan is in the way.
Perfect summary. Strike 1, 2, 3, and 4 (just for good measure). Thanks Nissan.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:12 pm

Sagebrush brings up some interesting points:

1. The USA market is tiny:

Yes and no - with so many new BEVs announced, in 3-5 years the market will be much larger.

2. The Swap itself complicated and expensive:

This is all about software - in the olden times, it was thought that Windows OS was a market barrier, and then along came Compaq.

3. The car heavily depreciated:

If it would be possible to insure the battery separately, this issue fades.

4. And Nissan is in the way:

Biggest issue for the Leaf aftermarket - should Nissan decide that replacing batteries is in their interest, the market dynamics change radically. Never say never, but Nissan makes money on cars, not on rejuvenating old cars. And I would almost guarantee that Nissan will never offer a larger battery as a replacement.

So to me the major challenge for the BEV aftermarket is offering a larger battery as a replacement - do that and a lot of older BEVs take on a new life and the BEV aftermarket gains legitimacy.

I think there is a market here but how it gets to be a real market will be interesting to see.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:11 am

How much is my 45 mile range 2013 SL with 5 bars and 73,000 miles worth of I want to sell it?

$7500?

And the replacement Battery is what?

$8800?

That does not sound like a smart move.

Imagine if you had a Camry that was worth $7500 and you blew the engine and to replace the engine was $8800. Would you do it?

I like the Fenix Battery system because the install cost (right now) was $150 and it’s a monthly payment of $99.

That is much easier to do, $99 a month. I can find $99 in change in my house.

So, what would you do?
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