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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:32 am

They disclosed in reply to user post - BMS reset was used + some other steps. BMS reset will help with capacity boost, although temporary. Other steps, may be some deep discharge and multiple "top offs" - nobody knows. We do know though Nissan BMS assumes battery capacity loss based on usage pattern and it is not always reflects real battery capacity, most likely very conservative projection. So yes, BMS reset may help to get those over-estimated capacity losses to be restored to actual battery capacity.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:47 am

IssacZachary wrote:
powersurge wrote:... The only logical transaction is for the Leaf driver to BUY the battery, and then FINANCE the cost of the battery.


Does anyone know if there's a lender that would finance a battery?

I would presume the battery would need to come with a warranty for at least the same amount of years as the loan, and the car would have to have full coverage insurance, and that the lender would have to be placed as a leinholder on the title.


Mr. Zachary,
You are making this way to complicated. Loan? Full Insurance Coverage? Title lienholder?

I am referring to your typical manner of buying something in the 21st century... Put it on your credit card. If anyone needs major car repairs, they put it on the credit card and pay it off somehow. You could negotiate several payments over several months. Why does that sound so strange?

I know you will say... "But what if the person doesn't have credit?" Well, in today's capitalistic Utopia, if you want something, you gotta pay for it.., If you can't buy the chips, you can't join the poker game.....

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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:18 am

evordie wrote:Still trying to understand what they do.
From the same guys and web, under 'Battery reconditioning":

"Our battery reconditioning process is not invasive, does not use chemicals and is completely electronic. We use a frequency pulse to break down sulfate crystals that build up along the plates over time. Our process transforms these crystals back to active material allowing electrons to flow freely through the plates again. A reconditioned battery can last for more than two years and in many cases the process can be repeated".

Is this only valid for lead acid batteries?

Sulfate crystals are what you get with lead (sulfuric) acid batteries. That said, I just recovered 1% of my SoH on my 2012 Leaf since I've been trickle charging daily at work in addition to my normal L2 charging at home. I think it's giving it additional time to balance the pack.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:34 am

Durandal wrote:That said, I just recovered 1% of my SoH on my 2012 Leaf since I've been trickle charging daily at work in addition to my normal L2 charging at home. I think it's giving it additional time to balance the pack.


SOH is an estimate. SOH isn't accurate to 1%
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:35 pm

IssacZachary wrote:
powersurge wrote:... The only logical transaction is for the Leaf driver to BUY the battery, and then FINANCE the cost of the battery.


Does anyone know if there's a lender that would finance a battery?

I would presume the battery would need to come with a warranty for at least the same amount of years as the loan, and the car would have to have full coverage insurance, and that the lender would have to be placed as a leinholder on the title.

I thought Nissan offered a finance option on the battery, did they do away with that too?

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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:22 pm

powersurge wrote:...Put it on your credit card. If anyone needs major car repairs, they put it on the credit card and pay it off somehow. You could negotiate several payments over several months. Why does that sound so strange?...

I guess I didn't even think about credit cards. That would work for many people. I'm the kind of guy that lives in the mountains far away from civilization and has no clue as to how the world works. I'm still raising pigs and cattle and farming potatoes.

I just got a credit card a few years ago. I only use it to auto pay my bills and I have it set up to be automatically paid off each month. I never pay interest or fees on it ever. The credit limit has risen from $1,000 to $6,000 although I never use that much. And thankfully it has also built my credit up enough I was able to get a loan on the Leaf and then later on the Avalon. Before that I just bought cars for cash. I had a hard time getting the credit card though. I had to go down to the big city to get it because here at my bank they wouldn't approve me for not having any credit history.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:46 pm

Kinda refreshing to see someone like Zachary. My wife and I cut up our credit cards 8 years ago and are debt free now (except the house). Changed our life.

If I need a new battery, I'll probably budget for it and pay cash... Or just get a new Leaf. But yeah, I guess credit cards is how most will do it. But geesh, 8-30% interest on $8k...
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:58 pm

Lothsahn wrote:Kinda refreshing to see someone like Zachary. My wife and I cut up our credit cards 8 years ago and are debt free now (except the house). Changed our life.

If I need a new battery, I'll probably budget for it and pay cash... Or just get a new Leaf. But yeah, I guess credit cards is how most will do it. But geesh, 8-30% interest on $8k...

If you need to put it on a credit card and pay it off, you would be better off buying a new car. At 14% interest ( common rate for a credit card) and paying it off over 60 months would cost almost $200/mo. And you end up with a junker. Much better off to put that money toward a new car with a bigger, better battery and upgraded electronics. $200/month would be a third of the car payment or maybe half of the lease. If Nissan upgraded the battery then maybe but $12000 in payments to put a Nissan battery into an old Leaf just doesn't make sense.

I too pay off my credit cards every month. It's more convenient than carrying cash or writing checks. I just pay one bill on the First of the month ( and yes I even charge the utilities on it). It does take a certain amount of discipline though.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:22 pm

johnlocke wrote:If you need to put it on a credit card and pay it off, you would be better off buying a new car. At 14% interest ( common rate for a credit card) and paying it off over 60 months would cost almost $200/mo. And you end up with a junker. Much better off to put that money toward a new car with a bigger, better battery and upgraded electronics.

Sadly $200 per month is about all I can afford. So I got a 60 month car payment on a used ICE car for $10,000 instead of getting another battery. I'm paying less than $200 per month with about a 4.5% interest rate.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:38 pm

I’m extremely disappointed after reading this thread. I have a 2011 Leaf that gives me 35 miles on a good day. All along I had been mentally preparing myself to fork over $5000 to get a new battery, and now it’s $8500. And if I don’t replace the battery, the car wouln’t be worth anything.

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