Charviolon
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Looking at certified pre-owned 2015 Leaf

Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:44 pm

I am looking at the above 2015 Leaf, S trim, with DCFC and around 21k on the odometer. It is priced currently just under $15k, which seems rather high. What price should this be going for roughly? Also, with range of 84 miles, this appears to be an excellent car for local driving but not for highway trips. I am also looking at a 2014 Tessa S85 74k miles, in the mid $40k range. It is out of warranty, but it would be excellent for extended trips. Would you anticipate post-warranty problems in either car? Thanks.

LeftieBiker
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Re: Looking at certified pre-owned 2015 Leaf

Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:57 pm

The Tesla is more likely to have post warranty problems, and the 2015 leaf has the best battery Nissan ever made. However, if range is an issue, you might want to consider a new Bolt or Volt.
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cwerdna
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Re: Looking at certified pre-owned 2015 Leaf

Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:50 am

Charviolon wrote:I am also looking at a 2014 Tessa S85 74k miles, in the mid $40k range. It is out of warranty, but it would be excellent for extended trips. Would you anticipate post-warranty problems in either car? Thanks.

You should budget for stuff like
- MCU: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... nit.94391/
- half-shafts: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... nty.93857/
- door handles: IIRC, they're at least $800 a piece to replace, unless you can perform the repairs yourself.

I would consider dumping it after its 8 year/unlimited mileage drive unit and battery pack warranty are over. I question Tesla's long-term durability and reliability testing (or it could be their manufacturing or validation of running changes). Oddly, https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... ing.56176/ is crickets. Some folks w/Model S are on their 7th or 8th drive unit (see https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1603011, https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1619754, and https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1653580). Drive unit is the assembly that includes the motor, inverter and gearbox.

Be careful to look at people's prior posts if they claim their Model S (that has been several years) is very reliable or even "100% reliable" and "Model S is as good as it gets IMHO". You'll note that at https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-2788639, I pointed out the above 8th drive unit guy made those statements! :roll:

Although https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... der.74184/ is on the X, w/folks getting their half-shafts being replaced multiple times under warranty already + the number of folks who had trouble both the front doors and/or falcon wing doors (FWD) on the X, I think you can see why I raise the above questions.

Can you update your location info via your user name in the upper right > User Control Panel > Profile tab? That way, we don't need to ask in future posts/threads or do sleuthing to deduce it.

What are your daily driving needs in terms of miles? How much city vs. highway? Will you have the ability to charge at your work/destinations?

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Charviolon
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Re: Looking at certified pre-owned 2015 Leaf

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:25 am

Thanks both of you for your input. Round trip home/work/home is 10 miles, but with other errands and other commitments in my city, I would say that my average daily driving distance is 30-40 miles tops. Regardless of the EV choice, I intend to arrange for Level 2 charging at home. There are several Level 2 chargers around town, including the Nissan dealerships.

Charviolon
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Re: Looking at certified pre-owned 2015 Leaf

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:50 am

City vs highway? It all depends, but I do not have huge distances to drive in any case. I can end up doing a lot of city driving, where regen would help tremendously. On many days it could be 50-75% local interstate miles.

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Re: Looking at certified pre-owned 2015 Leaf

Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:26 pm

The Leaf would work fine. You could rent or borrow another car for long trips. Buying a Tesla for short trips is not a good use of your money.
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Charviolon
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Re: Looking at certified pre-owned 2015 Leaf

Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:20 pm

I just took my 6th (?) test drive of the 2015 Leaf in question, and it was delightful once again. Even the battery gauge did not indicate extreme heat during this scorcher of a Southern summer day! There is a good chance I will make an offer in the next couple of days. The dealership price is just under $15k, but lots of pricing elsewhere lies in the $11-13k range. The car is in beautiful shape, incidentally. :) A Tesla as a go-anywhere car with great range is seductive, but I am skittish about expensive things that can go wrong in the post-warranty world. I value your feedback! Thanks.

cwerdna
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Re: Looking at certified pre-owned 2015 Leaf

Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:08 pm

Charviolon wrote:Even the battery gauge did not indicate extreme heat during this scorcher of a Southern summer day!

The "gauge" has huge overlapping ranges: http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Batt ... ture_Gauge. If you want to see battery temps, use Leaf Spy.

The battery temp gauge can get real high if you do multiple DC FCs in a day: https://web.archive.org/web/20170717073 ... hp?t=22134.

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Re: Looking at certified pre-owned 2015 Leaf

Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:54 pm

Get a Leaf. I have the 15 and it works great. That does seem high $, I would look around. This one at Carvana is $13000 with 12k miles. According to the window sticker it has the quick charge package. https://www.carvana.com/search/20001250 ... chback-4d-
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Charviolon
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Re: Looking at certified pre-owned 2015 Leaf

Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:41 pm

I tried to purchase the Leaf yesterday, but to no avail. The dealership wanted over 17 grand for the car, and when I showed them a June printout for $13,756, they countered that the current printed price of $14,981 was my price, period, end of story - basically refusing to do the "dance." That price is still too high for this car, and I walked. It is a great car, but not for me under these circumstances. Maybe someday!

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