Thick8
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Re: Warning - Pro-Pilot Assist issues

Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:04 pm

blah blah blah with a little name calling throw in. Troll.

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Re: Warning - Pro-Pilot Assist issues

Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:19 pm

Trolls start fights for the sake of seeing fighting. I noted a genuine danger and will now drop out of this thread. Hopefully you will have just a minor close call and realize the problems with your actions.
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Re: Warning - Pro-Pilot Assist issues

Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:29 pm

Thick8 wrote:The rest of the time I just let the car drive itself with my knee resting lightly on the steering wheel.

:roll:
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borugee
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Re: Warning - Pro-Pilot Assist issues

Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:22 am

This is a good post to keep all informed about what PPA / ICC / AEB can and can't do. Mostly, need to be very careful. Even AEB don't work on higher speeds. And Applied brakes is at 40% so don't trust the system. Here is the official limitations from Nissan, when I complained to them. This was given to me by the dealer on a printed paper by my dealer.

Pro pilot, intelligent cruise, Auto emergency
braking, rear cross traffic alert info
· Steering assist operates at 37mph and above
· A.E.B. operates 3mph to 50mph (will not detect stationary vehicles)
· A.E.B. operates 3mph to 37mph (will not detect small children or animals)
· R.C.T.A. operates under 5mph
· I.C.C. operates 20mph and up
· I.C.C. operates Omph-90mph when in use
· I.C.C. can only apply up to 40% of braking power (suggested use when speeds are fairly consistent)
· I.C.C. does not detect stationary, slow moving vehicles, pedestrians, objects, oncoming vehicles or motorcycles traveling offset in lane
· Pro pilot does not detect stationary and slow moving vehicles
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Warning - Pro-Pilot Assist issues

Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:19 am

What AEB DOES do is alert you to possible situations and its very cautious. Yesterday, I had my car alert me because of another car turning left in front of me. The car had a LOT of clearance and there was no real danger. I have to think my car simply was not understanding that I was also slowing to make a right turn?

Either way, the AEB would not have stopped me in time to avoid a collision but no matter. The alert is enough for me to "wake up" and take action.
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specialgreen
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Re: Warning - Pro-Pilot Assist issues

Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:58 am

As features like ProPilot become more common, it seems as though the chances of being rear-ended increase, if you are completely stopped on the freeway. This could encourage drivers to try to keep rolling at 2mph instead of stop-and-go. I've driven stick most of my life, so that comes naturally.

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Re: Warning - Pro-Pilot Assist issues

Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:11 am

specialgreen wrote:As features like ProPilot become more common, it seems as though the chances of being rear-ended increase, if you are completely stopped on the freeway. This could encourage drivers to try to keep rolling at 2mph instead of stop-and-go. I've driven stick most of my life, so that comes naturally.


I actually have a different take on the subject. E Pedal DOES use friction braking. Get on a quiet street and play with it at low speeds. You can hear the braking. But that speed is very low so to prevent that, I minimize my zero speed time as much as I can creeping up to the stopped traffic slowly. Of course it does not always work but what it does do is makes the driver behind me more alert since I am moving MUCH slower than the normal freeway creep forcing them to ride their brakes because their normal idle speed is much higher... ;)
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Re: Warning - Pro-Pilot Assist issues

Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:01 am

specialgreen wrote:As features like ProPilot become more common, it seems as though the chances of being rear-ended increase, if you are completely stopped on the freeway. This could encourage drivers to try to keep rolling at 2mph instead of stop-and-go. I've driven stick most of my life, so that comes naturally.


Growing use of ProPilot/AutoPilot, as well as driverless rideshare and trucking will probably change human driving behavior. What happens to human drivers if every Uber car on the road starts obeying the speed limit? And who really wants to cut-off a Tesla self-driving semi truck just to see what happens?

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