BuckMkII
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Re: 2013 with low miles or 2015 with high miles?

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:27 pm

Why do you want to use Carmax? I used the Cars.com search for Leafs under $10,000 within 50 miles of 92801 and found a few candidates.

How about this one? Ten bar October-built 2013 for $8000
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/deta ... /overview/
I'm too lazy to figure out if it has a Chademo. Probably not at that price, I'd bet. Not that you need one for your described purpose.

That would meet your 20 mile commute needs for five years, easily, I think. You might not even need to charge every day if you don't use the AC, at least until the battery degrades more.

My used Leaf also had all its Carfax records from Fremont CA. That COULD mean it lived over the hill in someplace hot, but I doubt it. (I verified after purchase that mine lived very near the Bay by information left in the phone and nav systems.) Mine is at 11 bars after 53,000 miles, so probably on the same trajectory as this one but fewer charge cycles.
2013 SV no QC, built July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
bar 12 lost 8/21/17
on 12/25/18: AHr = 55.5; SOH = 84.9 %; Hx = 80.3; ODO = 53,018

solartim
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Location: San Diego

Re: 2013 with low miles or 2015 with high miles?

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:50 pm

Took a look at this used Leaf in SD. Obviously a flood car from the HI hurricane last year, plucked a lava rock from the top of the engine compartment. Guy said it was a clean CA car with no problems, HA! The thing is, there was no report of flooding on the carfax.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =232008136

The funny thing is I read this pre-hurricane article warning residents about flood cars coming from stateside.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/3804 ... -vehicles/

krush40
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Re: In the market for a used Leaf.

Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:30 pm

The idea of Carmax is intriguing because if stars align, I could possibly have a car from out of state shipped in no risk and get three full years of carpool lane access. A used car already registered in CA will already have it’s three years up.

Carpool lane access would just be a bonus, not a demand. Based on budget/needs/etc, I think I’m looking for a 2015 SL, possibly SV with the right options.

BUT, I’m wondering “how bad” the 2016s actually are? I know there was a software update that was supposed to fix some of the issues, but you guys are the experts.

The reason I ask, prices are fairly similar, and having an 8 year/100,000 battery degradation warranty would be nice. Also, having the longer range to begin with might offset the “issues”.

Again, my commute is about 20 miles round trip, all freeway during rush hour. Other than that, we take our minivan everywhere.

LeftieBiker
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Re: In the market for a used Leaf.

Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:51 pm

IF you don't mind an S, the early 2016 S has the 24kwh Lizard pack. If you mean the 30kwh packs...it's kind of a crap shoot. They just discovered (officially, anyway) that the early build (late 2015 - Spring? of 2017) 30kwh packs have a high defective cell rate. I'm sure that there are plenty of 30kwh 2017 Leafs out there with no real issues, but the odds of getting one through Carmax or similar...that's a bet I wouldn't make, personally. IF I were forced to buy a 30kwh Leaf, I'd look for one that has excellent stats but has NOT had the BMS update performed by Nissan. I don't know how hard it would be to get that info on a Carmax car, but I'm guessing not easy...
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2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
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krush40
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Re: In the market for a used Leaf.

Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:22 pm

For the record, Carmax is an option but by no means the only one.

Ideally, at least I think, I’d buy from a Nissan dealer to get a Certified Pre-Owned warranty. Although even that seems questionable what the CPO actually covers on a Leaf.

Lothsahn
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Re: In the market for a used Leaf.

Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:30 am

LeftieBiker wrote:They just discovered (officially, anyway) that the early build (late 2015 - Spring? of 2017) 30kwh packs have a high defective cell rate.
Do you have a link about this? Evsenhanced has talked about this for a while, but I haven't seen any official announcements.
LeftieBiker wrote:IF I were forced to buy a 30kwh Leaf, I'd look for one that has excellent stats but has NOT had the BMS update performed by Nissan.
Why are you against the 30 kWh BMS updates? Aren't they supposed to fix the incorrect range calculation and a number of users report success? The worst outcome I've seen is that the update had no effect and didn't improve the range. Is this accurate?
2011 Silver SV, purchased 2018, lives in Missouri (previously in CA)
LeafSpy Pro + BAFX Products OBDII dongle
Battery swap 2019/04/24 (87% SOH, 12 bar)

LeftieBiker
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Re: In the market for a used Leaf.

Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:49 am

Why are you against the 30 kWh BMS updates? Aren't they supposed to fix the incorrect range calculation and a number of users report success? The worst outcome I've seen is that the update had no effect and didn't improve the range. Is this accurate?
Here is my reasoning: if a Leaf has had that update, then it may or may not have additional range as indicated by the BMS readings using LeafSpy and capacity bars - you just don't know without a long range test. OTOH, if the car shows 12 bars and SOH without having had the update, then all you have to worry about is a BMS reset if the SOH is really high. I'd choose having just one well-known issue to worry about, instead of one known and one not yet fully understood.

Someone posted a link, IIRC in the 30kwh pack topic, but it may be the one you mention. By "official" I didn't mean that Nissan had announced anything about it, although they may have, for all I know. I just meant a web report at least based on real info - actual cars with failing modules.
Scarlet Ember 2018 Leaf SL W/ Pro Pilot
2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
BAFX OBDII Dongle
PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

joeriv
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Re: In the market for a used Leaf.

Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:08 pm

Here is the link to the defective cell report:

http://evsenhanced.com/services/30kwh-l ... l-failure/
2017 Leaf S with QC, JUN mfg date

krush40
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Re: In the market for a used Leaf.

Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:31 pm

I still think a 2015 SL is probably where I’ll end up, but now’s the time to ask the questions, not after.

Clearly I’m still learning and this may be a novice question, but even if the 2016’s have potential battery issues, wouldn’t the 8/100,000 degradation warranty cover you? Worst case scenario the car would have been originally purchased second-half of 2015, which would put warranty through 2023. And with only 30k-ish miles, I’d have a long way until 100,000.

Plus having the longer range to start with kind of offsets the loss when compared to a 2015. The warranty claims you’ll have at least 70% capacity after 8/100,000. That would be a range of at least 75 miles in 2023. And if it doesn’t hold up, while being annoying, the warranty will “fix” it.

Or is that not a correct way to look at things?

joeriv
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Re: In the market for a used Leaf.

Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:57 pm

Yes - the warranty covers any battery issues for 8 years.
2017 Leaf S with QC, JUN mfg date

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