Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:52 pm
LOL, best of luck with that
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According to the website a subscription service is $1,500 installation, and a monthly service cost of LESS THAN $99 per month.powersurge wrote:I see the appeal of having a subscription model for batteries, however the stated price of $200/ month service contract for a Leaf battery would be out of the question for me.... That is what I used to spend on gas with my ICE. I could also lease a brand new Leaf for $300 or so..
Hasn't a comparable court test come up for conventional car warranties? Something like an OEM refusing to honor a warranty for a busted rear differential on the grounds that the owner installed a third-party cassette tape deck?joeriv wrote:4. Nissan Service: You bring your Leaf to a Nissan dealer for a non-battery repair. They take one look at the non-OEM battery and tell you “No way we are going to touch this car.” You have to hope that independent repair shops will provide a dealer alternative..
I don't know where you got your pricing from but the target price is $99 for "30 kwh" packs so a 24 kwh pack would be less...powersurge wrote:I see the appeal of having a subscription model for batteries, however the stated price of $200/ month service contract for a Leaf battery would be out of the question for me.... That is what I used to spend on gas with my ICE. I could also lease a brand new Leaf for $300 or so..
I agree with this. It is definitely a niche market at this point which is out of warranty gen1 leaf's who have their car paid off, just want their original range back, and can't get a lot by selling the car because the battery is degraded. Even as a Fenix Power early adopter with the $150 deposit, installation + 5years of fees will be roughly $5000 (assuming the 24kWh pack is 20% lower than their estimated $100/mo on the 30kWh pack). So you can guarantee yourself 5 years of your original range for ~$5k and 8 years of original range at ~$8k. It is not a bad deal for the right situation. Someone like me that will go out of warranty next year and is starting to have trouble making my commute will see it as a better alternative than a $8500 replacement pack for sure. For folks with an 8 bar 2012 that doesn't have much resale it makes even more sense.joeriv wrote:
Fenix has to offer products and services that Nissan does not, such as a 40 kwhr battery for any Leaf that wants it. Merely offering what Nissan offers with a different pricing model and arguably better technology may not make for a viable business.
I'll just have to wait and see what the actual specs are when it's time and go from there. All things equal rather support y'all since you are doing something new and interesting. I won't be out of warranty on my battery until next fall and I remember you saying Q3 next year was the target so the timing should work out well.JohnBysinger wrote: Golfcart: Thanks for your deposit! And I completely agree that the cost from Nissan especially for 24kWh just simply doesn't make sense. You may have seen me state that currently we're only committing to like for like replacement for 24 and 30kWh. What's important to note here is both of these variants will be nearly identical, one will simply have more modules installed. Meaning once we get the car/dash to play nice, it's just a matter of installing additional modules. I believe we'll be able to stuff more modules into the pack's space, but the module size, shape, and pack 'adapter' (case and guts) is still being revised as well.
I would love to say we can stuff 40kWh or more in the same space, but it's likely going above 30kWh will require installation outside of the stock pack location. All of this is a very large reason why we're still keeping the hardware under wraps, we're planning some very cool tech and design here, with flexibility and expandability inherent out of the gates. We're building for the LEAF, but the design is intended to be as universal as possible for other applications. Including fixed-storage/home-storage, a very natural product expansion for us, and frankly a much lower engineering challenge than the LEAF.