golfcart
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Thoughts on keeping leaf vs upgrading

Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:25 am

I am just going through this exercise in my head now and was curious what other leaf owners think or have done.

I have a 2015 Leaf S with 43,000 miles on it. My latest leafspy stats show 83% SOH and 52AHr on the battery. I just dropped my first bar last week. I have a 52 mile round trip commute and a child with activities a few days a week. Right now I can manage pretty well but it is getting tight on some cold days to get the kid after work and get them where they need to go without having the charge first (which is not always an option).

I don't think there is any chance of me getting my battery replaced for free based on my rate of degradation current my commute which will likely cause me to hit 60,000 miles sometime in late 2019 or early 2020.

I originally paid $23,400 for the car with the QC Package and Winter Package. That came out to $15,900 after the tax rebate. We financed at 0% so this car didn't really cost me that much.

Here is my dilemma... Do I unload the car now while I can get about $10k for it or just drive it until it can no longer make my commute in the winter and sell it/trade it in then (which will likely be the 2019/2020 winter).

If I got $10k for the car early in 2019 (which I think I could) I would have spent $5900 net for 3 1/2 years of maintenance free driving. That is pretty great in my opinion. I could use that money to put towards a 2018 SV with winter package and tech package that has been sitting on the dealer lot for the last year (assuming it's still there). Then, given the 40kWh battery pack and 8 year warranty, never have to worry about range again. Even if the battery dropped to 60% in 8 years I'd still be able to get to work and back no problem. Plus I'd get the pro-pilot, hybrid heater, android auto, e-pedal, etc...

If I hold on to the current car, I risk the vehicle becoming a real hassle for me sometime next winter and having questionable resale value at that point. I mean, who wants a car that only goes 55 miles in the winter (probably 45 if you turn the heater on)?. I suppose at that point I could trade it in on a 2019 or used 2018 but I am unsure how much resale I will lose between now and then. Given the number of other EV and PHEV options coming out it just makes me feel like the GEN1 leaf is gonna look like a dinosaur soon and nobody will want it.

I guess my final option is just drive it into the ground and QC it on my lunch break every day once the range gets to low. That is probably the cheapest since the dealership is right by my office and I can charge for free since I bought it there. That just sounds like it'll get old real quick.

Any thoughts? Anyone sold a 2015 recently or upgraded from a GEN1 leaf to a GEN2 leaf? If so, do u think it was a good choice? What would y'all do in my situation? There are no bad opinions, I am just mulling over my choices and would appreciate any input.
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rcedwards
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Re: Thoughts on keeping leaf vs upgrading

Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:20 am

Greetings from Washington State. I am in a similar situation with my 2013 SV Premium. I lost the first bar a month ago at 40K miles.

I think it is better to deal with problems earlier than later. So, I do not plan to wait much longer to upgrade.

I am disappointed in the slow development of the LEAF's battery.
IE
2011 24KWH
2014 24KWH Lizard
2016 30KWH
2019 40KWH
All air cooled.

I don't plan to wait to see what incremental improvement from Nissan comes next. I'm not hopeful for a third part solution that is economic.

I test drove the 2019 Chevy Bolt Premium three days ago. I am impressed. The full EV tax credit ($7.5K) is scheduled to expire for Chevy on March 31, 2019. I see on Autotrader that many dealers are offering $5K discounts.

I figure I can realistically get $7K or $8K for my LEAF. This means I can get a Chevy Bolt Premium for just over $20K. Given it's active liquid cooling of the battery, I'd expect it to last 10 years. This is my plan.

Sorry for starting most of my sentences with "I". This post is just one man's opinion.

joeriv
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Re: Thoughts on keeping leaf vs upgrading

Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:56 am

I did a Gen 1 to Gen 1 upgrade!

Somewhat similar in that I sold my 2013 S privately and leveraged that with substantial discounts into a new 2017 S with 30 kwhr battery. A possible option is a used 2017 for less than $20,000 with an 8 year degradation warranty - your net would be less than $10,000 and you would have better range than what you have now.
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alozzy
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Re: Thoughts on keeping leaf vs upgrading

Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:07 am

Another option to buy some time is to assume/takeover the lease of a 2018 LEAF of someone who has buyer's remorse.

I just missed out on such an opportunity. The leasee wanted out so badly that she was putting in $5k as an incentive. By selling my 2013 SV and putting the proceeds towards lease payments on the 2018, along with her $5k, I would have ended up with a net monthly payment of $70 a month for 43 months.

Also, the residual payout was $13k (Canadian), which would be below market value. With an 8 year pack warranty, I would have jumped all over that.

Unfortunately, someone else beat me to it.

Living in WA, you might be lucky enough to buy a Hyundai Kona Electric or Kia Niro EV in the near future. I would definitely choose either of those over a Bolt.
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golfcart
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Re: Thoughts on keeping leaf vs upgrading

Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:12 am

rcedwards wrote:
I figure I can realistically get $7K or $8K for my LEAF. This means I can get a Chevy Bolt Premium for just over $20K. Given it's active liquid cooling of the battery, I'd expect it to last 10 years. This is my plan.


Thanks for the thoughts. The bolt is definitely not a bad option if you are getting another EV. I rode in a Bolt when I took a Lyft recently and that thing was definitely quick, plus it has great range and battery cooling like you said. I didn't realize they sold enough of those to max out the tax credit already, or is it because the Volt has been counting against them?

For me that's just a lot of extra money over the Leaf for range I really don't need. The leaf at the local dealership is the SV with the cold weather and technology package. They are asking $33k but I am absolutely positive I can get them under $30k if they still have it in January. My wife has a PHEV so if we go out of the immediate area we take that car. I just need one that can reliably do 60 miles on a cold winter day for the next 10 years.
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golfcart
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Re: Thoughts on keeping leaf vs upgrading

Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:17 am

joeriv wrote:I did a Gen 1 to Gen 1 upgrade!

Somewhat similar in that I sold my 2013 S privately and leveraged that with substantial discounts into a new 2017 S with 30 kwhr battery. A possible option is a used 2017 for less than $20,000 with an 8 year degradation warranty - your net would be less than $10,000 and you would have better range than what you have now.


That is a good point, although I haven't seen any 30kWh leafs come up around here for sale. I wonder if that is any better than driving mine until its useless and then replacing the battery though... it is the same car with the same features and a new pack roughly the same as the cost difference between the cars.
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golfcart
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Re: Thoughts on keeping leaf vs upgrading

Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:20 am

alozzy wrote:Another option to buy some time is to assume/takeover the lease of a 2018 LEAF of someone who has buyer's remorse.


That would be a deal if it came up. The EV's really aren't that popular in my part of Virginia so there aren't a lot of chances like that. Most of the ones I see just sit on the lot for a year then they do deep discounts. That's how I got my 2015 so cheap.

I guess I could see if I could work out a lease deal with one of the local dealerships on their 2018 stock now that the 2019s are coming in.
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Re: Thoughts on keeping leaf vs upgrading

Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:51 am

rcedwards wrote:The full EV tax credit ($7.5K) is scheduled to expire for Chevy on March 31, 2019.
Updated: what I had written here was wrong.
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Baltneu
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Re: Thoughts on keeping leaf vs upgrading

Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:06 pm

Can you wait until the 1st qtr of 2019, I read that the longer range Leaf will be delivered then. But that is what I read, no assurance that will happen.

Also, could you lease the car? Does that make sense? I lease my 2018 SL and I like a new car every 3 years. But I have to think that the resale of this car, if I bought it, is diminished because if a 225 mile range car is available, then who wants the 150 mile range vehicle? And given in 3 years, the battery might be not as good as today.
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Re: Thoughts on keeping leaf vs upgrading

Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:08 pm

A 2015 Leaf that hasn't yet dropped the first bar is worth more than one with 11 bars. I suggest the OP sell it now and get a 2018. Just be honest about the battery stats with any buyers and call it "11+ bars."
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