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IssacZachary
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:35 pm

Buy a Leaf. Any Leaf. Just get a Leaf.

If I needed a second car it would be a Leaf. I miss my Leaf. It was a great car and the wife and I will always have fond memories of it.

As of now, you can find out all the pros and cons in owning a Leaf. How far do they go, how fast do the batteries degrade in your climate, how long do they charge, how much does it cost, etc. So yes, the battery will degrade. But a used Leaf will likely be a great car for several years, or perhaps decades, if you only need to go 15 miles per day. Just make sure you're sure it will work for you. It probably will. It would help keep you from starting your ICE every day and help extend the life of your Prius quite a bit.

If you want only one car, then a plug in hybrid makes sense.
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smkettner
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:24 pm

Given those choices, I would have a Bolt.
1 bar lost at 21,451 miles, 16 months.
2 bar lost at 35,339 miles, 25 months.
LEAF traded at 45,400 miles for a RAV4-EV
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rcm4453
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:29 pm

hmmwv wrote:My vote goes to the Volt, LEAF will see a much steeper depreciation than the Volt. With active battery management even Gen 1 Volt has minimum battery degradation, and thus hold their value better. Had I know this when I bought my 13' LEAF I'd chose the Volt in a heartbeat. With a Volt someone can drive it for 20 years even if the battery is completely degraded (extremely unlikely), but a 10 year old LEAF will likely end up in the junk yard due to prohibitively expensive battery replacement. Volt prices are similar to LEAF's, both have the full federal tax rebate, so total purchase price should be very similar.

With the Gen 2 Volt's 53 miles range (BTW the Volt's GOM is much more accurate than LEAFs, so the 53 miles range is very close to real world), you'd be driving without ever needing to use the range extender, thus having a very similar driving experience as the LEAF.



Unless oliviajayden has cold winters, then you get the joy of the ICE coming on due to temperature all the time despite having a full charge. I hated that about the Volt!

Evoforce
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:47 pm

smkettner wrote:Given those choices, I would have a Bolt.

Smart choice, and I don't know why the OP did not list it as an option...
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

joeriv
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:56 am

hmmv wrote "My vote goes to the Volt, LEAF will see a much steeper depreciation than the Volt."

Not really - according to this article https://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-chevy-volt-high-depreciation/ the top three highest five year depreciation rates are the Nissan Leaf at 71.7%, the Chevy Volt at 71.2% and the BMW 7 series at 71.1%. The average for all vehicles is 50.2%.
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goldbrick
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:58 am

joeriv wrote:hmmv wrote "My vote goes to the Volt, LEAF will see a much steeper depreciation than the Volt."

Not really - according to this article https://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-chevy-volt-high-depreciation/ the top three highest five year depreciation rates are the Nissan Leaf at 71.7%, the Chevy Volt at 71.2% and the BMW 7 series at 71.1%. The average for all vehicles is 50.2%.


I don't dispute their numbers but it's odd they didn't mention tax rebates, etc (or I missed it....). Here in CO most folks buying a new Leaf will get $7500 from the feds and $5000 from the state of CO. On a $30k Leaf that is about 40% 'depreciation' covered instantly. Where I live, there are further rebates from the local utility (was $10k now $3k). I know not everyone is getting all these rebates but a large percentage of new Leaf buyers probably qualify for most if not all of the fed credit at least.

I also think EV's are still on a the steep part of the technology curve and future models will give more bang/$ than current ones. With all due respect to the truly early adopters, EV's are still a new tech and will probably depreciate faster than a more mature tech (ICE) for some time to come.

joeriv
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:59 pm

Agree 100% on rebates, but only the Fed is available to all. Also if you pay under MSRP you’re ahead of the game. Just factoring in the Fed rebate changes the picture quite a bit.

Right now with rebates and paying under MSRP for my 2017 S, if I sold it I would make money.
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goldbrick
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:03 pm

joeriv wrote:Right now with rebates and paying under MSRP for my 2017 S, if I sold it I would make money.


Same here but I like it too much :mrgreen:

oko
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:41 pm

Have you considered Honda Clarity? IMO it is a much better car then Leaf, Bolt, Volt. You got a pretty luxury car for almost the price you pay for those. I have a Leaf and Clarity and always want to drive the latter :-).

With the battery losses (I am in TX) and Nissan's attitude, this Leaf will be my last Leaf and last Nissan ever.

RonDawg
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:57 pm

oko wrote:Have you considered Honda Clarity? IMO it is a much better car then Leaf, Bolt, Volt. You got a pretty luxury car for almost the price you pay for those. I have a Leaf and Clarity and always want to drive the latter :-).

With the battery losses (I am in TX) and Nissan's attitude, this Leaf will be my last Leaf and last Nissan ever.


The pure EV version of the Clarity is only available in CA and I think OR. The FCEV version is only for certain Californians (those who live/work near a hydrogen fuel station). Only the PHEV version is available nationwide.

Since the OP is concerned about reliability, there have been issues with the Clarity: https://tiremeetsroad.com/2018/10/27/ho ... -to-blame/
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