SageBrush
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:45 pm

Is it just my imagination or is this thread click-bait for spam ?
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03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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oko
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:57 pm

RonDawg wrote:
oko wrote:Have you considered Honda Clarity? IMO it is a much better car then Leaf, Bolt, Volt. You got a pretty luxury car for almost the price you pay for those. I have a Leaf and Clarity and always want to drive the latter :-).

With the battery losses (I am in TX) and Nissan's attitude, this Leaf will be my last Leaf and last Nissan ever.


The pure EV version of the Clarity is only available in CA and I think OR. The FCEV version is only for certain Californians (those who live/work near a hydrogen fuel station). Only the PHEV version is available nationwide.

Since the OP is concerned about reliability, there have been issues with the Clarity: https://tiremeetsroad.com/2018/10/27/ho ... -to-blame/


If you search for "Clarity owner forums", you'll see almost everyone is very happy with the Clarity (I cannot link here since it is a competitor site). There is a huge discussion about CR ratings also. The only electronic problem I know is "multiple system warnings", that I also had, which is more like an annoyance than a problem, since it goes away quickly and does not affect driving and it already has a software fix. The only other issue I know is "unexpected ICE start", which, as far as I know, only one or two have.

On the other hand, my Nissan Leaf had to go to the dealer multiple times:

1-Charging system failure. Lots of people had it.
2-A/C failure. When I called about it, my dealer said "this is very common in Leafs. We know what the problem is and we'll order parts before you come in".
3-Stupid stupid battery performance check every year we had to do for warranty.
4-The very frequent break fluid change that is most likely for the purpose of dealer profit.

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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:32 pm

SageBrush wrote:Is it just my imagination or is this thread click-bait for spam ?


Yes and folks think he is a real poster with a real question

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jlv
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:14 am

oko wrote:If you search for "Clarity owner forums", you'll see almost everyone is very happy with the Clarity
People are happy with the car, but that doesn't mean it has no problems.

There are 6 Clarity PHEVs here at work and all of them suffer from charging system issues. E.g., the car won't start to charge sometimes. Owners have said letting the car sit for a few hours before plugging it in seems to work. Honda has reported to have a fix "soon" (but their timescale seems Musk-like, since they've been saying that all year).
LEAF '13 SL+Prem (mfg 12/13, leased 4/14, bought 5/17, sold 11/18) 34K mi, AHr 58, SOH 87%
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RonDawg
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:02 am

jlv wrote:
oko wrote:If you search for "Clarity owner forums", you'll see almost everyone is very happy with the Clarity
People are happy with the car, but that doesn't mean it has no problems.

There are 6 Clarity PHEVs here at work and all of them suffer from charging system issues. E.g., the car won't start to charge sometimes. Owners have said letting the car sit for a few hours before plugging it in seems to work. Honda has reported to have a fix "soon" (but their timescale seems Musk-like, since they've been saying that all year).


This. And Teslas have their issues, but Tesla owners don’t seem to be bothered by it. But it doesn’t mean there aren’t issues.
Blue Ocean 2012 Leaf SV, lost that 1st bar at 34 months/26,435 miles. Lease returned 2 months later. Final LeafStat figures: 225 Gids, 17.44 kWH, SOC 91.89%, SOH 82.36%, 69.49% HX, 54.57 Ahr, battery temp 61.8 F.
Now driving a 2015 VW eGolf SEL.

jonemyers
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:25 am

We have a 2013 Leaf S (52,000 miles with one capacity bar lost at about 49,000) with the QC and a 2017 Volt. I would go with a 2016 or newer Volt over any Leaf. I have a 40 mile round trip commute and the Leaf works great most of the time but in the winter now that the battery capacity has dropped I have trouble doing side trips on the way home any more due to range constraints. At this point the newer Volt actually has about the same electric range as the degraded older Leaf. The Volt tends to have more range than expected while the Leaf less than expected when I drive. In our area (Portland, OR) used Volts hold their value much better than used Leafs. We will be replacing the Leaf with a 200+ mile electric or another Volt in the next couple of years. The Leaf has been reliable but Nissan has priced replacement batteries so high that the car is essentially going to be disposable at less than 100,000 miles.

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Wennfred
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:32 pm

Fred from San Diego, i currently own a 2011 LEAF SL and a 2016 2nd Gen VOLT. The LEAF had the traction battery replaced with a new updated pack in March 2016 under warranty. My Volt peak charge is 49 - 53 miles which is plenty for me to get to work and back and then some. My work commute is 40 miles round trip. My LEAF gets me around 70 - 80 miles. Average fuel fill up on the Volt is 2 or 3 times a year. I can get 62 miles on the Volt when driven correctly and by drafting behind Semi taking my time to Escondido from Imperial Beach CA. Now that the Leaf new replacement battery price went up to 8000.00, I would buy a Volt any day of the week or a Tesla Modle 3 with the standard battery size which I’m currently waiting on. The Volt gives me the battery range I need to get around town and work without having to stop and charge anywhere when driven pass the range limit as in the Leaf. Besides the Volt is a bad ass car.
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hmmwv
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:27 pm

joeriv wrote:hmmv wrote "My vote goes to the Volt, LEAF will see a much steeper depreciation than the Volt."

Not really - according to this article https://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-chevy-volt-high-depreciation/ the top three highest five year depreciation rates are the Nissan Leaf at 71.7%, the Chevy Volt at 71.2% and the BMW 7 series at 71.1%. The average for all vehicles is 50.2%.


They are talking about the 1st gen Volt, the current gen holds its value incredibly well. I wish the 2nd gen Volt depreciates faster so I can get a good deal on a used one, but here in WA you will only save a few thousand dollars if you buy used. It's getting harder and harder to own an EV in WA now, with no state incentive, sales tax exemption expired, no HOV lane privilege, and extra EV car tab fee.
2013 LEAF SL w/Premium Pkg, Brilliant Silver, 55,244 miles, LeafSpy: 50.17 AHr, SOH 76%, Hx70.30% as of 11/05/2018, 10 bars, 28 QC, 2129 L2/L2

oko
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:47 pm


Baltneu
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:25 pm

oko wrote:Looks like Volt is discontinued

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/ca ... 114114002/


Yep, discontinued.
2018 Gun Metallic Gray, SL, Technology Package, etc.

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